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January 11, 2015admin 11 Comments »


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  • B.B. Says:


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  • Izak Says:

    The article was likely taken down because it’s a huge incomprehensible mess.

    I’m not qualified to judge too much on this subject, but I have read some of Wendy Doniger’s stuff and I’m familiar with the criticisms against her — some of which are very well-founded, others of which aren’t. In fact some of the arguments against Doniger come from thoroughly Westernized Hindus who can’t at all handle the presence of sexuality in their own religion and wish to subdue it thanks to lingering influence of British colonialism — which is pretty ironic, considering this article’s central claim. The author deals with Doniger’s work in a sloppy and perfunctory manner. To some critics, Doniger is a Freudian pervert who revels in sexual excess and wishes to permanently taint Hinduism with her phallio and gyno-centric obsessions. In this article, Doniger is an occult Christian who wishes to cast doubt and aspersion on Hinduism for the exact opposition reason:

    “Christian missionaries routinely attack Hindu beliefs by attacking Krishna and this behavior is accurately depicted in RK Narayan’s novel Swami and Friends in which the teacher of the scripture class attempts to foist Christianity on the students by preaching,’Oh, wretched idiots! …Did our Jesus go gadding about with dancing girls like your Krishna? Did our Jesus go about stealing butter like that arch-scoundrel Krishna? Did our Jesus practise dark tricks on those around him?’ In the works of Lester Doniger’s daughter [Wendy] and other American professors, the same kind of attack on Hindus can be found in a more sophisticated form complete with footnotes and citations in order to appear pedantic.”

    Oooooh, gotta watch out for those scary footnotes and citations! They’re almost always a tool of Western colonial aggression, put there to make us Indians look stupid!

    The contradiction between the two opposite criticisms against Doniger are never resolved. Similarly, I’m not sure how the contradictions between Christianity and Steinem’s brand of second-wave feminism go together.

    The American Institute for Indian Studies is also supposedly a CIA front — that’s certainly news to me!

    Anyhow, it was still a pretty fun article. It’s nice to get the conspiracy theory perspective from India.


    Posted on January 11th, 2015 at 7:12 pm Reply | Quote
  • Artxell Knaphni Says:


    Terror in the Name of Christ in Northeast | Swarajya Blogs

    & others of interest

    Nobel Prizes – Useful Lies ? | Swarajya Blogs

    Pragmatism Over Dogma | Swarajya Blogs

    Islam, Islamism and Reformation | Swarajya Blogs

    Save Indian Children from First World Governments | Swarajya Blogs

    Thanks, NL. Good site

    ▶ American Theory-Making on India: “Saving Indians from India” by Rajiv Malhotra 2005 at IIC Delhi – YouTube


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  • bob sykes Says:

    Scattered around the right/reactionary blogosphere there are writers promoting ancient European paganism, especially the Norse version, but not the Greek/Roman version. I sometimes wonder why they don’t latch onto Hinduism, which is after all the only only surviving branch of Indo-European paganism, and not merely surviving but thriving.


    Izak Reply:

    Well, the outer-right idea of revamping paganism has to do specifically with ancestral veneration, so it just feels weird for everyone to somewhat arbitrarily latch onto Hinduism. I suspect that everyone is more interested in Norse paganism because it feels the most “white,” every other reason being secondary. I’ve never really encountered too many outer-right types who seriously wish to discuss metaphysics or go deep into religious ideas, and the ones who come closest nearly always wind up becoming Catholics or E Orthodox Christians (Colin Cleary and John Morgan being distinct exceptions — and I guess me). I suspect that part of the reason is because when you get into deep, serious religious thinking, you wind up getting dangerously close to validating leftist or universalist ideas, and people don’t want to do that unless they can have a pre-established church which can keep them from going off the deep end.

    Norse paganism has always been a more “oral” sort of religion, in the sense that its adherents didn’t write anything down, so the Christians were basically the first ones to document it all. The disadvantage is that no one can tell whether the stories are legitimate, or whether some Christian monk is doing a piss-take (for instance, there’s a neat story in the Poetic Edda where Thor wears a dress and pretends to be a woman in order to recover his Mjolnir hammer. It’s impossible to tell if it’s satire). The advantage, however, is that you just have mythology, because oral societies typically go for narrative over abstract conceptualization. The stories are all really bitchin’. Additionally, whatever latent metaphysics they contain (the Voluspa being the prime example) never actually go too deep, so you can just make up your own sort of pseudo-theology for all of it. I’ve read some very creative stuff in that regard.

    With Hinduism, I think more of these neo-Pagans ought to at least read the scholarship of John Woodroffe, who wrote extensively on the Tantras. But considering that the Tantras are related to goddess worship and most outer-right types can’t handle such a way-gay idea (or whatever), I doubt anyone will take that sort of thing seriously. But they really ought to, considering that the Tantras have the most world-affirming, power-oriented central message, and they function as a nice corrective to the West’s tendency to want to “transcend” everything with a physiological basis, including politically sovereign boundaries, race and culture difference, the physical limitations of sex and gender, etc. The goddess-oriented Hindu schools actually bow to the idea of the world as it is, which means respecting its rules and features — including worldly difference and inequality as such — and working within its framework. Another reason such ideas probably won’t have much of an impact (except perhaps indirectly through Crowley and Evola) is because their actual Indian adherents see such thinking as pre-Aryan, and they feel that Shiva and Parvati are pre-Aryan figures. Outer-right types want to venerate something connected to the Aryans, so on some level, the best of what Hinduism has to offer is actually closed off to them from an ancestral/cladistic perspective.


    Artxell Knaphni Reply:

    [bob sykes]: Scattered around the right/reactionary blogosphere there are writers promoting ancient European paganism, especially the Norse version, but not the Greek/Roman version. I sometimes wonder why they don’t latch onto Hinduism, which is after all the only only surviving branch of Indo-European paganism, and not merely surviving but thriving.

    {AK}: bob, I don’t know if retrofitting religions in that modular way is a good idea.
    It’s too redolent of the very ‘prefab’ approach characteristic of an Occidental oneiric commodification and its dreamlike discontinuities. That is to say, it could recapitulate the capricious and instant demands of an unthinking consumerism based on delirious desires, as it were.
    The other thing is that Hinduism is not a religion, it is a “storehouse of religions”, with more internal variety, at every level, than the rest of the world’s religions combined, except for Buddhism. The same can be said about Buddhism, with respect to all other religions, except for Hinduism. You can have any belief, atheistic, polytheistic, monotheistic, ‘spiritualism’, ‘materialistic, etc., and be Hindu. It’s actively syncretic.
    Hinduism is just the ways of the Hindus, the ‘Indians’.
    When you speak of the promotion of “European paganism”, it’s important to realise that both Buddhism and Hinduism suffered greatly from foreign incursions (reportedly, 2/3rds of Buddhist literature was destroyed by Islam), so that present instantiations are already to some extent, ‘reconstructions’, as it were. Whether those ‘reconstructions’ have been distorted by European rule and interpretations is another question.


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  • Lesser Bull Says:

    And yet all these people vote, since India is a proud democracy.



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  • Contemplationist Says:

    Lol NRx decrying ‘conspiracy theories’ is certainly funny.
    I guess McCarthy was wrong too, eh?


    Lesser Bull Reply:

    if McCarthy’s theory had been that communists were infiltrating the State Department in order to bring about Christian Dominionist restoration or something, yes, he would have been wrong.


    Posted on January 12th, 2015 at 4:13 pm Reply | Quote

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