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Sometimes shouting is necessary (or, at least, understandable).

August 25, 2016admin 78 Comments »
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  • michael Says:

    The reason why this is a hopeless appeal is the same reason why the altright has the correct approach. The left is not going to be dissuaded by reason, you seriously think they don’t understand the truth and if they did they would repent,LMAOROTF.
    They suppress the truth neuter the military and police and import the niggers as fast as they can because they understand perfectly, as soon as they can they will simply kill you. In the meantime they will explain your ar nothing but a neo nazi pseudo scientific racist and that it would be a shame if something were to happen to you.
    The above is nothing more than the new respectable right futilely trying to distance itself in the hopes of respectable influence.Yeah I know stop equating NRX with NRO whatever if the panties fit.

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    michael Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJS0b6iqfmE

    Brilliant Lads

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    Harold Reply:

    Not only do they not understand the truth, it is obvious they don’t.

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    frank Reply:

    This is not an appeal addressed to the left. Admin’s posting from posterity, for the coming elite.

    https://youtu.be/_ArB7bB8zko

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    Posted on August 25th, 2016 at 3:10 pm Reply | Quote
  • Renato Fernandes Says:

    How? We’re not conservatives, we’re not libertarians(despite some stuff), we’re not nazis, but still we’re right wing. Why bother to make a distinction between the Alt-Right and us? Sounds like virtue signaling of the kind “we’re not like those savage neo-nazis from /pol/, we’re noble and civilized”. We are smart, we could lead the Alt-Right for good, instead of throwing them under the bus.

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    admin Reply:

    The Alt-Right is essentially populist. If NRx subordinates itself to that, it loses its soul.

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    Cristina Reply:

    Thank you for pointing this obviousness out.

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    Mike Reply:

    The two evolved separately. NRx was invented by Moldbug. The alt-right evolved on 4chan. They’ve cross-pollinated a bit, but evolved separately.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    More like Moldbug is one of the re-discoverers.

    None of the ideas are fully new.

    This is a current.

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    michael Reply:

    Thank you thought i was the only one who didnt find MM revelationary

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    No, there are more of us wize Old Ones than it might seem.

    Yet we bleed neon. This is our technicolor bliss.

    The river runs deep. Abyss seeps…

    Dark inverted creep$…

    L33t n33ts

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    The Alternative Right has absorbed Neoreaction, and so Neoreaction is now being seen as a subset of the Alternative Right.

    The reason for this is, mostly, because in a highly Leftist time, anything non-Leftist is weird Greek symbols and hard math equations to all but a few.

    For Neoreaction to differentiate its brand, it will have to make clear its stance on populism as the root of decline and future failure.

    This would require repudiating the populist elements within Neoreaction.

    In the meantime, as noted in Outside In before, the threat to the Alternative Right is its own flirtation with populism, which should be seen as a parasitic disease and not a cure.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    That´s a total burger of a comment.

    >>”The current media focus on the Alternative Right is an attempt to subvert it, not celebrate it. As one sensible critic wrote:

    A short definition, that seems to me uncontroversial: The Alt-Right is the populist dissident right. Set theoretically, NRx is therefore grouped with it, but as a quite different thing. Another obvious conclusion from the definition: the Alt-Right is almost inevitably going to be far larger than NRx is, or should ever aim to be. If you think people power is basically great, but the Left have just been doing it wrong, the Alt-Right is most probably what you’re looking for (and NRx definitely isn’t).

    …As a consequence of its essential populism, the Alt-Right is inclined to anti-capitalism, ethno-socialism, grievance politics, and progressive statism.

    The Alternative Right has absorbed Neoreaction …”
    — Brett Stevens, at his web-site Amerika.org, Aug 25, 2016. (Italics is what Stevens is quoting.)

    Jesus, Stevens, I quite enjoyed your metal reviews back in the day, but damn, you really should just focus on “race realism” and such and when this Trump phenomenon blows over stay out of politics, or join some Southern or Eastern European ethonat state.

    You first quote the differentiations that separate Neoreaction and Alt-“Right”, i.e. populism vs. antipopulism: “NRx definitely isn’t … anti-Capitalism, ethno-socialism, grievance politics, and progressive statism.

    Then you say Alt-R has absorbed NRx? wtf.

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    Mike Reply:

    “The Alternative Right has absorbed Neoreaction, and so Neoreaction is now being seen as a subset of the Alternative Right.”

    How do you square this with the plain fact that one is populist and voice-oriented, and the other anti-populist and exit-oriented?

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  • Hattori Says:

    What about the “Nrx as the intellectual conspirators behind the alt right” meme?

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What about it?

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    admin Reply:

    Fun, but confused.

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    michael Reply:

    well HAT its nazis all the way down as far as the left is concerned the alt right is the intellectual provocateurs behind the lads at storm front who are in turn the pulling the strings at niggermania ,but those of us here for over a year or two remember the HRX compromise, the no enemies to the right then the rupture because nrx didnt want to be associated with the cuck meme.

    ALTRIGHT seems pretty supremacist to me.and they seem to be insisting on the right to exit. The neo nazis are the only ones talking natsoc.

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    Aside from that single tweet that person seems like he doesn´t have much idea of what he´s talking about. E.g. he referenced “Evola & Spencer” as representative of the Alt-“Right”. Having had no interaction with him previously, he proceeded to block me after I stated that most of the Alt-R. simply namedrop Evola and that E was consistently antipopulist. (Possibly too because I have a scary avatar.) It´s like saying Nietzsche was a Nazi.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    He went on to make these declarations (to his friends I assume, one of whom is a Socialist succubi) of what the Alt-Right is, and the NRx, and that “NRx is a dead force.” kek

    Let´s just say that it wasn´t high grade stuff.

    But the broke cluck was right one time.

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    michael Reply:

    yeah and hes a poster child for one of heartistes what a cuck look like exposes

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    lol yeah no shit

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  • Orthodox Says:

    Alt-Right: Vote
    NRx: Exit

    “Nobody” cares about Exit right now because it is 3 months to the Democracy Super Bowl. The distinctions between NRx and Alt-Right are blurred because of this. If Trump wins it will continue for a couple (few) years, but if Trump loses, people will be thinking Exit again.

    I don’t see why anti-populism NRx even cares what others think of it. The whole point of Exit is to break ties. If you do care, and someone gives you free publicity, use it. Anytime you see someone equate NRx with Alt-Right you should not fight the charge, but view it as an invitation to discuss NRx. Bring up some point where the disagreement with the Alt-Right is clear if that’s your goal.

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    michael Reply:

    no its more like altright a serious doable exit by whatever means necessary,Just a return to a nice normal pre immigration west, VS nrx fantasy exits of space stations, seasteading, downloading our brains to the web,restoration of DnD monarchy,developing AI robots to inflict our revenge of the nerds,Davos calling us and requesting we redesign human civilization on moldbugs neocamerilt model while they use USG to enforce it by force for 100 years while it proves itslf and everyone gets used to it, except no one knows what this system actually looks like or how it works
    Basically its the all cathedral hateful ideas once they gain total power.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Far points. But NRx is a formational project. It´s closer to a science lab than to an audience at a rock concert.

    People like Land are born as philosophers. The rest of NRx are too.

    It´s not enough to say “I´m NRx” to be it. No more than a jet pilot.

    You gotta have the intuition for it. Alt-R is different.

    You can´t blame us for doing advanced physics.

    Not everyone wants to be a meat & potatoes cook.

    https://youtu.be/QrGrOK8oZG8

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    michael Reply:

    Fair point and what drew me to reaction almost a decade ago but that decade has seen not Lands acceleration but Soros’ acceleration, NRX in the meantime sounds half as coherent or close to a workable philosophy than it was five years ago. Its beginning to seem like its deliberately bleeding off right thinking intellectual firepower to chase its tail. At first i thought they might solve moldbugs formalist problem but they solve nothing and only use it as an excuse to do nothing but criticize. If they were actually philosophers they would organize problem trees and get it worked out, I think they realize its not ever going to work out as cleverly as they,we hoped so they avoid clarity and resort to culture of critique.And they seem to be conveniently blind to inconsistencies deaf to a lot of questions.
    Its pretty clear here in the US the proles had to be dragged screaming and kicking into leftism pretty much tortured brainwashed and intimidated into it and still only 50% even moldbugs major point is the cathedral is a thought control mechanism to end run democracy. The problem isnt the proles the problem is the elites, elites that ruled on any old system that simply functioned would never have to fear prole pitchforks proles only want t o be left in peace to raise families. So land is tilting at windmills taking over the cathedral and using it to run the world sanely is all that required you want to institute reactionary adherence to reality well that used to be called common sense but fine call it nrx but the immediate problem is Soros and company are invading with multilimillion nigger armies to make sure nothing can ever be changed again. This is not like the plauge of socialism and massive debt worst thing is total economic collapse like soviet union and 30 years later all better if policy change demographic armageddon is forever. If there really were some place to exit and defend Ide be all for it but where. Bu best idea is talk Putin into giving Kalingrad as a HongKong type reactionary economic zone which could benefit him economically and thumb the cathedrals eye, NRX would rather talk about seasteading. So Sorry if my patience is wearing thin I wouldn’t criticize if i didnt care Im not an altright troll.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I don´t know of anyone NRx who´s suggesting seasteading. It was mentioned for amusement here recently.

    NRx is definitely workable philosophy, if it´s not it´s sub-NRx or pretend NRx.

    NRx is like a Nintendo Seal of Approval. It ain´t legit except if it got the quality.

    If the brand gets fucked, we´ll just use other info-maneuvers.

    You can´t expect us to summon a new polity in a few years, it might take centuries.

    Stop trying to blame us for not doing whatever you think we could or should do. lol

    You got some original ideas tho, so I am at least interested.

    For separation it could be useful to learn from multi-million dollar world-wide organizations like the Mormons, the Jehovas, the Scientology, the Catholic Church, and others who have started with just one guy and become their own empires. Hare Krishna was literally one old guy who traveled with a cargo ship to America and brainwashed hippies (it saved the life of many I´m sure). Now they got fancy restaurants, hotels, their own farms, schools, huge temples, name it.

    This requires a specific type of person. And dogma. If it ain´t me and it ain´t Land, no one can blame us. People are into what they´re into. Most of us live fine lives, we aren´t in a situation where we´re gonna force ourselves into things where our talents don´t lie. But who knows what the future holds.

    If French and German cucks wanna get stabbed and shot that´s just Darwinism.

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Politics is Power.

    Over People.

    Advanced physics?

    Sure. Like Middle Earth Metallurgy.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Sure.

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    Xoth Reply:

    Hey hey, plenty of monarchies in Europe. I live in one. Nearly all of the decision making is outsourced, but the machinery is still there.

    For instance, one day our host might meet the Queen or King and henceforth for his services to the Crown actually, no LARPing, be Sir Nick.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    What an inane comment.

    Xoth Reply:

    Inane but true, I’m afraid.

    wu-wei Reply:

    If the alt-right is simply defined as “neither progressive/communist, nor GOPe/CATO/neo-liberal”, then NRx is certainly located within this sphere. But then, 99% of the alt-right is a formally democratic movement; NRx obviously is not. In fact, as has been pointed out in this thread, NRx isn’t a political movement at all, or even a “movement” in any other sense really. It isn’t “offering” anyone anything – political power or otherwise.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    As mentioned on Twitter today, NRx are the true neo(classical)liberals.

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    A.B. Prosper Reply:

    I can see that since the .alt right is the actual conservatives, i.e conserving Western Civ

    My take is that NrX are the eggheads airheads and intellectuals whereas .Alt Right are build to (but not yet at) being an actual political movement with a plan to take power

    In any case if NrX is neo liberal that makes them part of the Cathedral which maybe isn’t where NrX wants to go.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >Following the irruption of the sublime in Kant’s philosophy, and carried through to the agent through the notion of genius, Land details a picture of art whereby the subject becomes the instrument of the unconscious outside: “One ‘is’ a genius only in the sense that “one” is violently problematized by a ferocious exteriority. One returns to the subject of which genius has been predicated to find it charred and devestated beyond recognition.” Land introduces the production of a stratified representation, in terms of the arts, as an impetus to further destratification. The work of becomes an infection in the ruling structure, ” what art takes from enigma it more than replenishes in the instantiation of itself, in the labyrinthian puzzle it plants in history.”

    michael Reply:

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    so far its not offering anything it [mm] raised certain problems mostly the cathedral is out of control, and all men are not created equal they evolved.
    Its asserted without proof that democracy is the problem while simultaneously claiming cathedral mechanism neuters democracy.They propose a solution to the problem they dont prove formalism buts its so vague they have spent a decade debating what its really means and this is where they are stuck because they cant think of a real world substitute let alone a path to the substitute but if they could they wouldnt propose it on principle.So nrx is just sitting around while the world burns saying youre all idiots.They call this becoming worthy.
    Have they looked into acquiring any patch ground in return for their outsized intelligence, hammered out a plan to formalize power in such a theoretical patch? drawn up a contract for tenants. Mostly what they do is put up vaguely fascist looking blogs write race porn posts then when the newfags take the bait they call them idiots.

    SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Did you ever think that maybe what happens here is influencing minds and forming this form-al-ism?

    frank Reply:

    Mike, do you think Roman Empire could be saved through political action? (serious question)

    My opinion is no. They needed to drastically reduce the cost of security through decentralized governance. They needed to go back to real (decentralized) money. They needed to make women property of men again to realign reproductive incentives. All these things couldn’t have been possibly done via political will in the absence of drastic outside forces. Rome had to fall so that a gnon-pol system could be built.

    Until the system crashes under its own weight, incentives won’t realign. Addicts don’t change without hitting rock bottom. People don’t change without fundamental changes in their environments. Systems, especially homeostats don’t get replaced without crashing first.

    What a crashing system will get replaced with is contingent on what’s available in its wake. Only the mutations that are already present get selected for.

    NRx, in its reactosphere incarnation is not a movement, not an actionable plan, not even a conspiracy.

    NRx is not a career plan, it’s not a life strategy for aspiring young adults. What should a young white male do with his time and resources? How can he make sure that he and his offspring have a real future? NRx doesn’t know, doesn’t care. (Though a common sense advice is self-cultivation). NRx predicts that Rome is about to get sacked and proposes design guidelines for aspiring primary property owners (and their consultants) who will pick up the pieces in the aftermath.

    Do what you think is best for you and your offspring. I don’t think it matters too much from a systemic point of view. People (and the elite) won’t give up democracy, fiat money, and feminism without getting mugged (more realistically raped) by reality. This is probably our fundamental disagreement. You think that there exists a plan that will save the people from themselves. NRx thinks there isn’t. They have to meet Gnon before things can get better. Anything you do to delay the reckoning will only diminish the probability of a true recovery (tbh I’m not sure if a true recovery is even possible; and we probably have very different conceptions of what recovery means.)

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  • Etiologist Says:

    ..and while you’re at it stop equating NRx with neoreaction..

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    admin Reply:

    ‘NRx’ is an abbreviation for neoreaction, so your point is hard to understand.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Truly, only identical things perfectly equate with each other (e.g. abstract numbers). So when people equate words which are not identical they are not doing so with perfection equationality but a relative or approximate one. The tragedy of mankind is that only a small percentage of people can extend this to all thought.

    Ultimately, anything is comparable to anything.

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    michael Reply:

    There’s such a thing as diminishing returns at present NRX by land is promising perfectly pure nothing. The alt right is proposing excluding the lower 40% of the the US demographic. A bird in the hand is what it comes down to, it’s why NRX broke up a year ago.

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    michael Reply:

    And once that 40% is gone the possibilities multiply exponentially. Without racism as a weapon you could chop the tail off the white curve and raise the average IQ by 20 points. without having to dumb down the proles to make the niggers look better you might be surprised to see what well raised average IQ citizens are capable of while they still exist.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >NRX is promising nothing

    Yes.

    Etiologist Reply:

    The last neoreactionary died on the cross, to mangle an old analogy. Or to mangle a new one, neoreaction is whiskey, and “NRx” is a brand. Admin’s brand. It’s a good product, but it’s a regional flavor. And the original recipe is still public domain.

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    michael Reply:

    NRX does seem to have narrowed and changed in the past year or two. Thats populist is starting to sound like thats racist nothing is elite enough so nothing can be done we must just submit.fuck that. The altright plan to exit along racial lines where we were a mere 30 years ago is a sensible hierarchical plan, this idea that we can make it even more elite leads to ever more absurd and unsustainable and unenjoyable levels of elitism, it leads to unchartered territories of social experimentation not conservatism, its remarkably similar to what the original progressives imagined

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    > nothing is elite enough

    rofl

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    HAH HA HAH HA HA

    Yes stop equating Right with Right while you’re at it.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    riiiight…

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  • Ur-mail Says:

    Unfortunately, nuance is antithetical to popular discourse.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    >Gustav Le Bon´s The Crowd. 1895.
    https://tu.be/-bX0WlAT-v8

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  • Uncle Saturday Says:

    what a maroon

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  • SVErshov Says:

    one less obvoius difference between NRx and Altright can be discovered by looking into methods of attacks which gives best result ar less expense. best attack against altright is grass root level members and is case of NRx obvious attack vector is not ready available. NRx does not have call for activism and theoretical approaches are some complicated, especially in case of XS due to significant recent baggage re-shufflin.

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  • S.C. Hickman Says:

    So I have to ask the obvious: Does NRx have a consensus site, book, set of statements, propositions, formal thought beyond the scattered work of several well meaning blog sites? Has the intellectual, scholar, philosopher, et. al. among you published anything in book form to bring this community up to date? Obviously there seems to be no unified agreement in the old ideological sense, but rather several loosely – taken-for-granted ideas that travel around, but seem to be set at the borders of Alt-Right and other groups… yes? no? Is there a manifesto for NRx? Something to establish at least a viable groundlessness? No one believes in foundations or grounds anymore, or do they? Foregrounding the abyss is useless…

    One who is on the fringe… quizzical, but intrigued.

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    michael Reply:

    I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a reply. In a word formalism see moldbug

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    Ur-mail Reply:

    The collected works of Land and Moldbug here (http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/) are about as good an introductory set of texts as one could ask for. If you have an extremely high demand for rigor and formality, these works may leave something to be desired.

    Using these as a starting point should render most of the scattered online blogs intelligible. That being said, for now, NRx remains largely a loosely affiliated DIY political philosophy. Many salient problems and concepts have been identified, but by no means resolved.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    “Many salient problems and concepts have been identified, but by no means resolved”

    This is fair. The right and possibly Civilization indeed do owe Moldbug and Dr. Land thanks in that regard. To be more fair they never promised a solution.

    The modern Right does begin with UR and The Dark Enlightenment.

    The Right – all of it – does better attacking the Left than each other. More so than say the Left does.

    Return to core competency: destroy the Cathedral.

    Now might be an opportune time to get that phrase into circulation along with the Open Letter to Progressives. Moldbug absolutely makes people think even if they don’t understand or agree…and when they begin to think at all the spell of Progress is broken.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    6=AND THE LEFT IS THE PARTY OF THE EDUCATIONAL ORGANS, AT WHOSE HEAD IS THE PRESS AND U

    S.C. Hickman Reply:

    Yes, I’m well versed in Moldbug and Nick’s writings, having written extensively on them in the past. No. What I’m saying is just what it seems is not there… Everyone that answered me just points toward a mixture of other writers who have certain notions, propositions, and ideas regarding ‘The Cathedral’, etc. Yet, nowhere is there a concise and polemical measure taken of the actual present state of the NRx movement in itself. One doesn’t expect a reduction or definitive response, but rather a set of basic propositions, concepts, and social and political statements that earmark the thrust of the NRx as a movement. Otherwise it remains ill-defined to any and all outsiders who might otherwise seek to know or understand its message and polemical power. Without some formal statement one is left with an abstruse collection of opinion (“doxa”), which if this is the case will leave the NRx movement in abeyance or at war with any and all other politically motivated groups like ‘Alt-Right’. It’s the old adage: Time to take stock of where you’ve been, where you are, and where you’re going, as well as who, what, and probable accounting, tally, etc. of this thing termed ‘NRx’.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    I think that´s the charm of NRx. There´s a wall against outsiders, and it´s chaos. It´s not necessarily made to be friendly for anyone seeking to enter. It´s guarded with (to quote a very recent comment) Middle-Earth metallurgy. Or I´d rather say, a fog. And, I´d hope, spikes.

    It´s the Black Forge. Those subsolar need not apply, for thou must see in the dark.

    S.C. Hickman Reply:

    @(N) G. Eiríksson

    Then it becomes a full blown cult rather than a movement; and, an obscurantist dive into solipsism, turning the screw on its own dark obscurity and metallurgic sub-worlds. Sadly this would doom it to utter thermospasm rather than the discursive destruction of the world it seeks to exit.

    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Nah.

    Ur-mail Reply:

    @S.C. Hickman

    > Sadly this would doom it to utter thermospasm rather than the discursive destruction of the world it seeks to exit.

    Only if you think discursive destruction (at some sort of mass social scale) is a necessary prerequisite of actual destruction, I’m not so sure.

    S.C. Hickman Reply:

    @(N) G. Eiríksson

    Well actual destruction of the world would preclude any option whatever. What would be the point? 🙂

    So yea, what’s being destroyed is the institutionalized underpinnings of the Cathedral itself… the very Human Security Systems that keep the Iron Prison on lockdown without possibility of escape or parole. 🙂

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    That was Mr. Ur-Mail´s comment, not mine. I go by one moniker per the service provider´s (Mr. Land´s) terms of service.

    I think the determinations of NRx (that you are looking for) are what make it. (Like any entity, obviously.)

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

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    You guys are promoting WN practices, you may deny it, but it´s as simple as that.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Alt-R is WN rebranded & expanded + people annoyed by Muslims + Coolservatives and the “Trump phenomenon”

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    Oh and Fascists.

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    michael Reply:

    I promise if nrx had a practice id promote it first as long as it wasn’t anti human or anti euro.Im not ever going to be down with turning the universe over to AI and im not going to ever side with some synthetic group against my own european people I like my people and its culture i dont find even its lowest classes that objectionable, i think Uriah Heep is facinating, I also am quite confident euros as a whole can outcompete anything if free to do so.I see ZERO evidence the pop is behind leftism its clearly cognitive elites who are behind it.As for formalism well that goes to property and property is decided by violence Im quite confident USG will discover it does not in fact hold a monopoly on violence, but merely a contract to manage the affairs of the people who do hold that monopoly. No not a revolutionary mob or pack of wild niggers but a determined force of white males. If NRX chooses to sit it out and WN helps well you guys can always find work in the IT dept. while the men take power.

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    (N) G. Eiríksson Reply:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPZfFEW2G9A

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    michael Reply:

    that Uriah Heep too you aren’t a millennial huh

    michael Reply:

    HESTIA SOCIETY
    THE ONLY MORALITY IS CIVILIZATION

    NEOREACTION
    Our ideology and movement dedicated to remaking Western civilization to be more effective, orderly, and glorious than it ever was, and securing a future among the stars.

    We believe in the sovereign unity of Western civilization, secure personal authority and judgment at all scales, traditional social roles, lawful decentralized hierarchical organization, the human dignity of purposeful work, and the vast potential of well-organized human civilization.

    Correct me if im wrong but this is the secret societies publication right, official NRX pravda?
    In Ancient Greek religion, Hestia is a virgin goddess of the hearth, architecture, and the right ordering of domesticity, the family, and the state. my take is family implies white maybe thats just my family?

    ” movement dedicated to remaking Western civilization to be more effective, orderly, and glorious than it ever was” again call me a racist but I read western civilization as my peeps, and lets dig on that glorious kind of fash no? what about the bit about “movement” sort of implies theyre going to actually do something, yup they plan to remake.
    Now dont make me parse that whole second paragraph fuck it why not “sovereign unity of western civilization” kind of sounds like pan white ness just saying who else do they mean by unity of western civilization.

    “secure personal authority and judgment at all scales, traditional social roles, lawful decentralized hierarchical organization, ” kind of has that give me liberty or give me death ring to it, they cant mean that nick says the robots are to rule absolutely. but this says “secure personal authority” and ” decentralized hierarchial organization” what are they some jeffersonian populists you cant give people authority they have to be owned by the patchmaster dont they?

    ” human dignity of purposeful work” whats this papist cuck shit theres not going to be any of that, monkey dignity indeed! work? work ? there’s no work only robots and soylent green.

    Better call admin the illuminati’s been pwnd

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  • (N) G. Eiríksson Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_9tX4eHztY

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  • michael Says:

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    Frank
    I get the nrx philosophy,plenty of good stuff more critique than solution but
    Thing is its not working out as MM hoped,there wont be a collapse in our lifetimes and even on a philosophical level nrx has no plan, so if a collapse happened tomorrow youre not assuming power the hells angels or niggers would.
    if it happened as you suppose it would be hundreds of years of suffering before any order would begin to coalesce its doubtful nrx types would survive. In fact its unlikely white people will survive and i really dont see anything useful coming from nonwhites if its chinese i couldnt care less that is not my concern.
    What is likely is within twenty years whites will be a minority in their homelands and at that point it will be irreversible and no order will ever again come from us we will be murdered like south african farmers.
    I can not imagine what you are thinking it sounds like NRO saying yes but we will die true to our principles. Principles are great ideas yes they count but not always sometimes violence is whats needed. all civilization is built on violence you want nrx you must impose it through violence or you will be killed and it will die stillborn with you. Thats the will of GNON.
    yes it may be distasteful that your only ally is the altright but dont blame him its the left that has made it a racial issue if this were mere socialist economic collapse i would be fine waiting it out.

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    frank Reply:

    I don’t think alt-right and NRx are competing in the same market. They sell different products for different markets. I think Admin’s counter-signaling against the alt-right has different purposes than what people think.

    Alt-right and NRx have different time horizons. Alt-right is focused on organizing white people and winning the next battle. It might be the right movement to join for you and your family — I don’t know. What I do know, is that a realistic winning condition for the alt-right is a losing condition for the western civilization. Let me explain: what can the alt-right realistically achieve? Different parts of the altosphere have different ideas about winning. But the general idea is that following Trump’s election they’ll gradually expel the darkies and make America 90% white again. This is a dangerously deluded vision (dangerous for your people, white people). In fact, many alt-right horizons don’t reach beyond November 2016. What comes after Trump? Ok. Let’s say he built the wall, expelled illegals, instituted tariffs. Now what? Rate of whites is still shrinking, people are still isolated from consequences and reality, idiocracy and dysgenics still apply. What did you achieve? And now that borders are secure, white people are back to watching Netflix, they can go back to playing outer party vs inner party. What exactly did you achieve?

    You’re right that we’re not guaranteed an abrupt collapse. It’s the best case scenario. Alternatively we may get Argentine style slow motion collapse (this is Trump scenario). A Western Civilizationist strategy therefore should try to accelerate or engineer a collapse. Alt-right doesn’t achieve that. Alt-right still might be the best option for you and your family though. A Western Civilizationist strategy and nationalist strategy don’t necessarily have the same point of view. (People of Rome wouldn’t like to hear that their Empire must collapse first before things can get better, and it’s certain that a collapse is not good for you and your offspring).

    Nobody can know what will happen in the post-collapse chaos. What we know is that collapse must happen. There’s no other way. Again, Roman Empire couldn’t be saved, it had to collapse so that its deadweight could be shed. Same is true for America. I understand that you want your people to survive and prosper. You’re right that NRx gives you no advice about how to do that, because it’s not what NRx is about. The problem with collapses is that they’re extremely bloody. You’re right that nobody is guaranteed to survive what’s coming (especially not metropolis dwelling NRx types).

    Depending on how the collapse happens, Hell’s Angels types won’t necessarily rule the day, though. There’s massive opportunity for Vulture Funds; and large capital owners will be very motivated to secure their investments. A relatively orderly collapse like that of Soviet Russia is among possibilities.

    NRx’s role is to provide a guideline for the coming elite who’ll assume the role of Vulture Funds (NRx bloggers and commenters won’t be among them). If a collapse never happens, then Western Civilization is done for anyway. In that scenario, even if your progeny survive, they’ll be 90 IQ whiggers.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    ” a realistic winning condition for the alt-right is a losing condition for the western civilization”

    To add something to this, consider an Eastern European country that I know through my wife, who is Belarusian.

    Belarus is “alt-right”. It’s essentially purely white. It has low crime and a clean capital city. Everyone there is openly racist – the idea of different races is simply an obvious fact to all of them. The moral failings of women are not ignored or excused, and divorce, over all, favors men. People are expected to marry young and have children. Out of wedlock birth is frowned upon. There are protectionist tariffs and strict, strictly enforced immigration laws. Nationalist sentiment is high. There is an idea of buying Belarusian goods to support Belarusian business.

    But despite all this, Belarus is a terrible place. There must be some other necessary condition for goodness in a society. I argue it is a terrible place primarily due to poor governance. Bribery is commonplace. The regulatory burden makes Washcorp look like Galt’s Gulch. People are miserable, absolutely miserable. Nobody smiles, poverty is rampant, alcoholism is the normal state of things, fertility is lower than white America, and suicide is higher than white America (#2 worldwide! http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-statistics.html).

    I’m completely in favor of interests over principles. But it is not in my interests to live in a country like Belarus. What is so fantastic about neoreaction is that its ideas allow it to simultaneously comprehend the vileness of the Cathedral and the vileness of Lukashenko’s government.

    And by the way, Michael, you really need to stop repeating that Neoreaction has no ideas or courses of action. It absolutely does offer a practical suggestion for a better way of life: neocameralism. You just don’t like neocameralism, so you’re ignoring it. But it’s pretty much the foundation of our program.

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    SVErshov Reply:

    Belarus has another big problem high radiation. unfortunately for them wind from Chernobil during catastrophe was blowing in this direction. Particularly in Gomel radiation so high you can feel it phisically. walking fast up stairs make your heart bit racing like crazy. sad, for such nice and very smart nation.

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