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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Systems are for psychopaths.&quot;  I like the alliteration.  T-shirt slogan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Systems are for psychopaths.&#8221;  I like the alliteration.  T-shirt slogan?</p>
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		<title>By: The Western &#8220;Demographic Crisis&#8221; Myth and the Cathedral Hive Mind &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Western &#8220;Demographic Crisis&#8221; Myth and the Cathedral Hive Mind &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] How the chattering heads could be so wrong about the need for more immigration reflects a central problem with Western democracy today: no effective feedback system.  Nick Land writes, [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] How the chattering heads could be so wrong about the need for more immigration reflects a central problem with Western democracy today: no effective feedback system.  Nick Land writes, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34549</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Admin/Kevin&lt;/strong&gt;

The Dire Problem isn&#039;t so dire or so much of a problem.  They start getting hungry and cold they&#039;ll find a job.
Moldbug only thinks it&#039;s Dire because he&#039;s imagining them trying to code or learn LISP.

I don&#039;t think frankly people who over-fret about these things have much experience running things and making things happen.   Or for instance - camping.   You know..make your own fire?  Take a job as a roadie or carny or something for a summer that involves labor and understand it can be done and needs to be.  

This is why the 19th century American Aristo&#039;s sent their sons out West. 

If it&#039;s your idea of a dire problem - you really aren&#039;t qualified to rule.  NOPE. 

There&#039;s all kinds of jobs out there folks. 

Mind you it will also get less dire and less problem if the dire don&#039;t have their important but not mentally demanding jobs taken away by immigration.  OTAY?

&lt;i&gt; But what about the Violence !?!? &lt;/i&gt;.  Be Violent in response, dammit.  Again - not qualified for Aristocracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Admin/Kevin</strong></p>
<p>The Dire Problem isn&#8217;t so dire or so much of a problem.  They start getting hungry and cold they&#8217;ll find a job.<br />
Moldbug only thinks it&#8217;s Dire because he&#8217;s imagining them trying to code or learn LISP.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think frankly people who over-fret about these things have much experience running things and making things happen.   Or for instance &#8211; camping.   You know..make your own fire?  Take a job as a roadie or carny or something for a summer that involves labor and understand it can be done and needs to be.  </p>
<p>This is why the 19th century American Aristo&#8217;s sent their sons out West. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s your idea of a dire problem &#8211; you really aren&#8217;t qualified to rule.  NOPE. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s all kinds of jobs out there folks. </p>
<p>Mind you it will also get less dire and less problem if the dire don&#8217;t have their important but not mentally demanding jobs taken away by immigration.  OTAY?</p>
<p><i> But what about the Violence !?!? </i>.  Be Violent in response, dammit.  Again &#8211; not qualified for Aristocracy.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;dire problem&quot; is dire, meaning probably insoluble. (I&#039;m less generally pessimistic than you, but that doesn&#039;t mean I have to be a total idiot.)

Commercialization has some significant capability to promote itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;dire problem&#8221; is dire, meaning probably insoluble. (I&#8217;m less generally pessimistic than you, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to be a total idiot.)</p>
<p>Commercialization has some significant capability to promote itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C.</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pressure can be contained, and what about humans who aren&#039;t resources (the &quot;dire problem&quot;)? And even if commercialization ensures exit pressure, what ensures commercialization?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pressure can be contained, and what about humans who aren&#8217;t resources (the &#8220;dire problem&#8221;)? And even if commercialization ensures exit pressure, what ensures commercialization?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Commercialization ensures that resources -- including human resources -- get to exercise exit pressure. Beyond that, I doubt it&#039;s possible to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commercialization ensures that resources &#8212; including human resources &#8212; get to exercise exit pressure. Beyond that, I doubt it&#8217;s possible to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Hans</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Little Hans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The communication medium for the uncontaminated feedback required by sensible government is exit traffic within the Patchwork (comparable in its operation to revealed consumer preference within marketplaces).&quot;

 Exit, fine. What about entry though? How can you set up the patchwork in way that doesn&#039;t make the impossibility of entry a barrier to exit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The communication medium for the uncontaminated feedback required by sensible government is exit traffic within the Patchwork (comparable in its operation to revealed consumer preference within marketplaces).&#8221;</p>
<p> Exit, fine. What about entry though? How can you set up the patchwork in way that doesn&#8217;t make the impossibility of entry a barrier to exit.</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the &quot;system&quot; and what are the &quot;feedback loops&quot; of the British Political &quot;System&quot; ??

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUIA40uLlKw?feature=player_detailpage&amp;w=640&amp;h=360]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the &#8220;system&#8221; and what are the &#8220;feedback loops&#8221; of the British Political &#8220;System&#8221; ??</p>
<p>[youtube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUIA40uLlKw?feature=player_detailpage&#038;w=640&#038;h=360" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUIA40uLlKw?feature=player_detailpage&#038;w=640&#038;h=360</a></p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/undiscovered-countries/#comment-34532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The focus on &quot;systems&quot; is the fallacy of reason again.  The central error of the Enlightenment and what doomed it in fact - although not inevitably.  The Enlightenment was destroyed by Men who used the tool of rationalization, what reason actually is when applied to politics.  

As these Men were Nihilists who sought power - which wisely they were shut out of - all their rationalizations were and are mere strategems to do HARM and PROFIT from gaining POWER.

WHO = Nihilists
WHOM = Humanity at large.

Any focus on systems when leading or managing Men will lead to more horrible errors and suffering.  Systems are for pyschopaths and MBA&#039;s, the difference between them being degree of commitment.   You can&#039;t program people, all this talk of feedback loops is error and nonsense.  

Singapore happened because of men.  One man stands out. 

America happened because of Men.  Many stand out in it&#039;s 400 turbulent history.  The Founders did good and built something just strong enough drawing from English and American History to endure the test of Time.  The legacy Republic is still here.  It wasn&#039;t &quot;doomed&quot; more than any other creation of men.  

The New Deal was absolutely men.  Resolute Progressives with a True Leader on the side of the New Deal, flailing eunuchs deserting the ramparts of the Republic on the other. 

The Progs will not fall because their &quot;system&quot; is flawed.  If they fall it will be that the Defenders are weaker than the attackers.  Whoever the attackers end up being.  

The men, MEN MEN who replace the New Deal State will be a combination of the strongest and the luckiest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The focus on &#8220;systems&#8221; is the fallacy of reason again.  The central error of the Enlightenment and what doomed it in fact &#8211; although not inevitably.  The Enlightenment was destroyed by Men who used the tool of rationalization, what reason actually is when applied to politics.  </p>
<p>As these Men were Nihilists who sought power &#8211; which wisely they were shut out of &#8211; all their rationalizations were and are mere strategems to do HARM and PROFIT from gaining POWER.</p>
<p>WHO = Nihilists<br />
WHOM = Humanity at large.</p>
<p>Any focus on systems when leading or managing Men will lead to more horrible errors and suffering.  Systems are for pyschopaths and MBA&#8217;s, the difference between them being degree of commitment.   You can&#8217;t program people, all this talk of feedback loops is error and nonsense.  </p>
<p>Singapore happened because of men.  One man stands out. </p>
<p>America happened because of Men.  Many stand out in it&#8217;s 400 turbulent history.  The Founders did good and built something just strong enough drawing from English and American History to endure the test of Time.  The legacy Republic is still here.  It wasn&#8217;t &#8220;doomed&#8221; more than any other creation of men.  </p>
<p>The New Deal was absolutely men.  Resolute Progressives with a True Leader on the side of the New Deal, flailing eunuchs deserting the ramparts of the Republic on the other. </p>
<p>The Progs will not fall because their &#8220;system&#8221; is flawed.  If they fall it will be that the Defenders are weaker than the attackers.  Whoever the attackers end up being.  </p>
<p>The men, MEN MEN who replace the New Deal State will be a combination of the strongest and the luckiest.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 05:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; it is a ratchet mechanism that successively distances the political realm from feedback sensitivity, due to its character as a closed loop (or state church) sensitive only to a public opinion it has itself manufactured&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds like a royal court full of eunuchs. 
Oh wait you&#039;re not the monarchist. 

Still to the extent that a system ostensibly designed to avoid the eunuch-filled-royal-court problem, by having free press, opposition parties et al. who allow contrary opinions, it didn&#039;t take much time to  end up coming up with a convoluted mechanism to recreate the isolated court full of eunuchs who prevent opposition voices from reaching the court, and ostracize any part of the public who dares defy the court ideology.

Singapore also is very well run but it still qualifies pretty well as a closed loop insensitive to contrary voices, although it probably has better performance benchmarks that others.

But isn&#039;t that the real difference really? Singapore probably has benchmarks which measure the economy productivity of the realm, while the US promotes people according to how good they are at upholding the state religion and how much money they can rally to progressive causes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> it is a ratchet mechanism that successively distances the political realm from feedback sensitivity, due to its character as a closed loop (or state church) sensitive only to a public opinion it has itself manufactured</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds like a royal court full of eunuchs.<br />
Oh wait you&#8217;re not the monarchist. </p>
<p>Still to the extent that a system ostensibly designed to avoid the eunuch-filled-royal-court problem, by having free press, opposition parties et al. who allow contrary opinions, it didn&#8217;t take much time to  end up coming up with a convoluted mechanism to recreate the isolated court full of eunuchs who prevent opposition voices from reaching the court, and ostracize any part of the public who dares defy the court ideology.</p>
<p>Singapore also is very well run but it still qualifies pretty well as a closed loop insensitive to contrary voices, although it probably has better performance benchmarks that others.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t that the real difference really? Singapore probably has benchmarks which measure the economy productivity of the realm, while the US promotes people according to how good they are at upholding the state religion and how much money they can rally to progressive causes.</p>
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