Urbit

There’s a lot going on here:

Do you ever feel like you’re using the Internet as a modem? […] The Internet is actually an awesome modem. The online services blow AOL away. But are we really that far from 1995? […] Can we re-decentralize the Internet? A lot of great hackers have tried. Maybe we can’t? Maybe it’s just impossible? […] The Internet isn’t from 1995. It’s from 1975. In 1995, we learned that a network beats a mainframe. Now, we’ve learned that a 2015 mainframe beats a 1975 network. […] Does it beat a 2015 network? What is a 2015 network, anyway? […] If the Internet beats a modem, and a modem on top of the Internet beats the Internet — what if we made an Internet on top of the Internet? […] These questions seemed interesting. So we built Urbit.

The Urbit whitepaper (with links to (arcane) demos).

The Hacker News discussion starts off sophomoric, but gets better.

Best promo slogan I’ve seen yet (from this, last year): “If Bitcoin is money, Urbit is land.” It’s the algorithmic propertarian matrix for virtual real-estate.

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  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    Not really related, but check out Paris’ Reviews National Book Award nominees https://twitter.com/parisreview/status/647728642995437569

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Progressives think they have white men beat but we’re about to upload capitalism into quantum-locked cyber-pods and watch in safety as the fascist asteroid slams into the Cathedral at karmic velocity.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    It’s unfortunate because fascism doesn’t actually work against the Cathedral, in fact it’s major achievement is in achieving a monopoly on western fascism, and it did it by crushing the greatest fascist societies to ever exist. Fascism only wins out by those who have been scared out of their wits by leftist animosities, so they seek safety in an opposing mob, and they are awfully glad a mob is growing around them too. This is sad because fascism is going to select for psychopaths as surely as communism. Classical liberalism is superior as a counter-offensive in every way, not least of which is its technical alignment with capital teleology.

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    michael Reply:

    easy on the Path trashing where would you be without us.are you saying classical liberalism is an ideal government? I thought that was heresy around here. I agree as conceived in 18 century US it was great for a while but how to keep it that way seems to be the problem. secret death squads perhaps.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    The ideal government would be invisible, carrying out its orders under strict confidentiality, with centralized knowledge at the minimum required to conduct exoteric protocol (PR). Death squads there may be, but that would surely be a sign of a failing state, one that would need to eliminate its people in murderous conspiracy. Inclusive fitness would be a surer path to Classical West demographic selection.

    Xoth Reply:

    The problem is, cathedral fascism is just so vulgar and stupid and ridiculous. Sure, as a subject you at least get a rickety sort of welfare state, barely, but in exchange, apart from cruelly overpaying for services rendered, you also have to accept modern society. Even its surfeit of holy men, women and miscellaneous are so vulgar/stupid/ridic that it makes my flesh creep.

    Nobody wants classical liberalism anymore, not even capitalists (or in particular not capitalists). NRx will provide a fascism altogether cooler, more competent and far more satisfying.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    NRx does defend a warrior ethos (above Cathedral priestliness), but it is per Jim, not Evola. Capitalists (qua capitalists) want security for free trade above all, and that is surely not on the high-priority lists of neo-nazis, who are more for militant ethnic collectivism to further the cause of Total War (or Perpetual Peace, I forget). The dark enlightenment is named so for its awareness of the failure modes of classical liberalism, exhaustively detailed by Molbuggian political analysis. Moldbug’s own trajectory into Urbit has to be enough to convince fascists that what they’re dealing with here is an altogether different kind of animal. NRx is classical liberalism (commercial city states) with killer robots (and apps). Neo-nazi entryists don’t pose a serious threat (see @eternalapparatchik below), as they seem to be planning their immediate removal from cosmopolitan civilization, and they even want to build a giant wall around themselves too. Neo-nazi necromancy is, in essence, a virulent strain of undead demotism, which can’t tolerate anything existing outside its Volk State (entrance into which is set at an insultingly low bar). Fascists talk as though there’s some organized movement they’re part of, but from what I see it’s mainly Trump-supporters using the aesthetic to annoy liberals, and beyond that just the howling, irrational exuberance of a violent mob of destitute youth. So it’s important to remember that there’s a name for fascism already, and it’s not NRx, which plans to provide exactly nothing to fascists beyond what they can afford (and civilized discussion of course).

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    @DSO

    That’s all well and good for dispensing with the fascists, but how are you going to build anything that the Cathedral (more like the Synagogue) can’t afford when George Soros can easily buy and sell every poor NRx mofo on here 100 times over? That’s not to get into all the other billionaire Chosen People mofos (OK, some of them are gentiles, I did exaggerate. Slightly) who are invested in this thing and are going to squash anything that becomes any more of a challenge to the Synagogue than the angry internet Nazis of whom you are so dismissive.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    George Soros isn’t going to buy any NRx mofo, so that’s a non-sequitur (though an amusing one). However, when employed by rich commie Jews do as rich commie Jews do. We’re all aware that if you’re after aristocratic privilege in the modern West there’s only one way to get it, and that’s working for the Hebraic-Protestant elite. This is becoming less of an option for anti-SWPL types. Plus, if you want to talk about billionaires and prospects for secession we could start with this useful (if mixed) take: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/will-silicon-valley-finally-try-to-secede-in-2014

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    That article is about 1000 words long. I’ll tell you more with just 12: anyone who tries to secede is going to get their shit pushed in.

    As to your other comment, the point is that any NRxer is going to get their shit pushed in by Soros and the rest of the Synagogue. You don’t really have a comeback to this.

    At the end of the day, anyone who claims to either want to or to be on the verge of overthrowing the Hebraic elite, or the Synagogue, or the Happy Merchant, is just punching letters into a webpage, whether they’re neorecucktionaries or angry neo nazi Moonman fans or whatever. #NRx Edgy Enlightenment types can look down on the people posting Hitler memes on the chans, but the supposed justification for their sense of superiority isn’t really clear.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    This seems to be an argument for utter despairing capitulation in the face of an omnipotent enemy. You’ve come to egalitarianism the long way, but it’s still the same self-negating tautology its always been. There is an ‘Outside-The-Cathedral’, whether or not it has a ‘sense of superiority’ doesn’t matter in the long run, but I guess you’d argue that anything above feasting on dung with vermin is fetishism of the Self.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    I’m not despairing in the slightest so I think you might be projecting somewhat there.

    If you don’t have answer to the question, “What is NRx going to do beyond stroking its dick and feeling smug?” my point still stands.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    NRx can learn the ways of its enemy while preserving Deep Tradition through the coming dark age, they can become spooks in a decentralized intelligence apparatus, home-school their children, fight the Cathedral with 4GW, vote Trump, fraternize with fascist-sympathizers, self-publish blogs unraveling the lies of the state, become economically autonomous, invest in Bitcoin and Urbit, move to East Asia, form private social clubs, form cults, form cryptic networks of trusted curators, convert to Nazism, convert back to Marxism (doubtful), and they can also stroke their superior dicks, all at the same time. No neoreactionary thinker is going to come out with a ‘NRx do this!’ command and expect it to be taken seriously, it’s better to describe what is already taking place.

    Capitalism is still the institutionalized UFAI for the Cathedral to beat, for it is the only thing that can offer an alternate incentive, and be certain, however long modern industry survives alongside the Cathedral, the latter is no more part of the former as a parasite is part of its host.

    The Cathedral isn’t doing anything groundbreaking, its just deteriorating. The whole West might go down with it, but I suspect there’ll be something come out alive, even if there’s a giant culling of hundreds of millions…

    Xoth Reply:

    NRx pratique can for example try a march through the institutions. There’s already this wonderful oppressive discreet but decidedly post-democratic machinery in place, ripe for the taking.

    Occupy the Cathedral.

    Xoth Reply:

    However, for the theorists out there, the job is plainly to draft the blueprint. Crypto locked weapons and whatnot are all well and good, but what if we were handed the keys to the government tomorrow? What does the destination actually look like?

    Xoth Reply:

    In the Moldbug passivism paradigm, while waiting for it all to fall apart, actually make sure NRx is ready to rule and knows what to do. I hope I’m not crushing anyone’s emotions by saying that’s pretty far off at the moment.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    @ Xoth we need only keep our wits in order and bide our time till the League of Atlantis Five return from the Glitch Wars to refashion these decaying anthropoids in the image of The New Flesh.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    @ DPO

    “NRx can learn the ways of its enemy while preserving Deep Tradition through the coming dark age, they can become spooks in a decentralized intelligence apparatus, home-school their children, fight the Cathedral with 4GW, vote Trump, fraternize with fascist-sympathizers, self-publish blogs unraveling the lies of the state, become economically autonomous, invest in Bitcoin and Urbit, move to East Asia, form private social clubs, form cults, form cryptic networks of trusted curators, convert to Nazism, convert back to Marxism (doubtful)”

    NRx doesn’t really have a monopoly on any of these relatively self-indulgent activities, so if there’s someone posting Happy Merchant memes on /pol/ that is also doing these things, it’s not really clear what is supposed to set NRx apart. Apart from the smugness.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Every answer to the question of activism is self-indulgent, which is why Moldbug is a passivist. ‘Do nothing’ is exactly what neoreaction will ‘do’.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    You’re claiming that MM is a passivist who is doing nothing on a blog post about Urbit.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    I included Urbit as an activist incentive in my previous comment. Open source has been described as economic activism, it’s at least spontaneously assembled (or yes, ‘quixotic’). What Satoshi Nakamoto and Moldbug have done/are doing is far more hopeful than anything coming out of 4chan, at least that’s my opinion. Even if NRx is doomed along with the world their still writing some great posts in the meantime, which is more than you can say about the Cathedral.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    /pol/’s memes will always be danker.

    admin Reply:

    That would be the optimum outcome, for sure.

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    Raymund Eich Reply:

    I’ll tell you more with just 12: anyone who tries to secede is going to get their shit pushed in.

    If, arguendo, @Lucian is right, and tech/comm secession is not an option, the question of what NRx should do comes down to the following:

    Why don’t left singularities happen in the real world?

    Because one of two things break the leftist ratchet before the LS:

    1. Leftism weakens a state so much that it falls to foreign conquest.
    2. A Thermidor. (A powerful, not-so-left faction turns risk-averse and sends everyone to its left to the guillotine).

    Therefore, pick the option you think is most likely and/or most desirable, and make it happen. If option 1, help the Chinese build their robot armies. If option 2, find a Fouché and persuade him to denounce, arrest, and execute Robespierre.

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    @Raymund

    The optimum path would pursue both of these options simultaneously while still engaging in (probably quixotic in the extreme) tech secessionism where it is possible.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Stalin is going to return to hang the communists with the rope he bought from the capitalists, then the state will rot to pieces before a Deng Xiaoping-like restoration, then will follow a period of relative prosperity before the cycle begins over again.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Optimally speaking, the EU egregore will formalize and we’ll find ourselves with Zizek as absolute communist dictator. He’d soon put an end to the SJWs.

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  • Chris B Says:

    Feudal structure brought into the 21st century.

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  • Hattori Says:

    Ctrl+F Yarvin9 for moldbug posts.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    pcmonk also appears to be a team member.

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  • Eternal Apparatchik Says:

    Exit will not be tolerated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tY6J_NXxZE

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    WowJustWow Reply:

    Put a few flowers in their hair and you’ve got yourself a hippie commune.

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    NRx_N00B Reply:

    Kraut-off-the-grid-preppers?

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  • etudiant Says:

    > Classical liberalism is superior as a counter-offensive in every way, not least of which is its technical alignment with capital teleology.

    Well, not in _every_ way. And most certainly not in exactly that one way that matters: survival versus its competition. Classical liberalism has categorically failed the political fitness function born out of the 20th century. If a system cannot out compete its foes, then it is decidedly inferior.

    “Surely”, you may respond, “classical liberalism is at least a more palatable ideology.” More palatable to whom and when? Selection occurs – always – in an environmental context. Ideologies don’t compete in abstract voids. They compete in the environment of the historical circumstance in which they appear.

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    Hattori Reply:

    As per moldbug, libertarianism cannot recreate the 19th century world of tory landlord targets. thus cannot easily create jobs for it’s followers, thus ineffective against the cathedral.

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    michael Reply:

    youre correct except some of us came from there and spent years pointing out leftist inconsistency to classical liberal values eventually you realize some leftists are too dense to see their doublethink and others are clever enough to use classical liberalism as a tool too promote cultural marxism because people are too stupid or lazy to think about the consequences and contradictions. classical liberalism like christianity is easily pwnd by leftists having a theoretically universalist bent it works great for northern europeans but then even socialism can be sustained among such a highly intelligent productive people. I dont see any DE/NRX solutions not even a clear policy on say feminism. The critique is all. The cathedral works its built its got a deep state now and the ability to monitor every peice of information on the planet. its proved it can get people to do just about anything or at least not interfere much. even things that are against nature. If it could be used to maintain a saner system its the simplest solution. But time is of the essence it will not survive demographic collapse it will end up like south africa. So stopping the clock on immigration is crucial by any means necessary trump neo nazis who cares, ultimately they are right anyway even if for the wrong reasons you can not have a sustainable nation of sub 85 IQ citizens you can not have a nation at all of multicultural composition. compassionate colonialization is the answer to the third world by which i mean we trade them civilization in exchange for resources and population phase out. All this requires secure communication if DE/NRX can not openly plot and promote cathedral entry without outing themselves we can not pwn the cathedral. this same secure communication will allow others to also distract and annoy the cathedral slowing their suicide. Also we need to be able to penetrate the deep state and see are they really stupid and crazy or simply hubristic and reckless. This will tell us how to take over

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  • This Week in Reaction (2015/09/27) | The Reactivity Place Says:

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  • Scharlach Says:

    Instead of “Comments” on this one, it should just say “OT”

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  • Boldmug Says:

    From one digital jail to another, all to put this internet in jail.

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    Wagner Reply:

    A New Internet is the most game-changing hyperstition we could will into existence.

    Without deplatformings, without bannings, we would have won by now.

    Paul Town would be informal president right now, if I had to guess. Ban someone too many times they scoff and walk off. The current internet is a defective technology.

    I’ve said endlessly that the old Greek tradition of eliminating someone for being *too good* is alive and well millennia later in our supposedly civilized society. This is the meaning of ressentiment, and it’s the UNSPOKEN core of leftism, the “ignoble lie”… Starting to remember what was talked about down here that they’ve been trying to make you forget?

    I mentioned dead aristocrats earlier today. That, at least for me, got me wondering, “Are there any *living* aristocrats?” If there ever was one it is Moldbug. And what did he decide to do after writing Unqualified Reservations, what did he decide to do? Urbit, a new internet.

    My immediate curiosity is: when is he going to release his journals? New-internet-as-hyperstition is not a popular topic whatsoever, most live within the net of the internet and hardly think of overturning it, taking it as a given. What has the master been thinking about these years? When will he release his thoughts? It’s only a matter of time.

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    Wagner Reply:

    See, even Muslims have something to teach us. Appropriate only what is best from other cultures, this is what I call “responsible multiculturalism”.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Imagine me saying “Hey buddy” to you on twitter and it not being a case of national security. That’s what urbit’s about. Infiltration through a tek-mafia scheme.

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  • Wagner Says:

    There’s a distinct thrill and joy in saying certain things, most of which involve unironically agitating for a cultural apocalypse, that I feel many are missing out on because of the restrictions on freedom of this internet invention thing that is still heavily controlled by the semi or purely–you can decide that for yourself–totalitarian state.

    The trick that gets us I think is that it’s always a comparison with real life. “Well at least I can get away with this on the internet, I never could in real life.” You can’t get away with anything anywhere, the internet is like a mirage.

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  • Wagner Says:

    Always sniffing around for a flicker of octarine. I’ve heard it before, “I swear I saw it!”

    I have a feeling that what goes on in some secret societies now, and what went on millennia ago, won’t occur on the internet or even a neo-internet, by the nature of what it is. I’m a novice, this is just speculation, so who knows. There are currents that are resistant to open, democratic mediums like this, and I wonder how urbit would be able to circumnavigate it. There are some things better said in a satellite village.

    Speaking of the pathos of distance, it could be that *physical* distance from earth and humanity will free one’s thoughts.

    So once we’re at that village for a while eventually someone will want to escape earth’s gravity altogether to become even freer from the invisible ants crawling on the green below.

    Talk about atomization…

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    Wagner Reply:

    I wish I was living in a satellite village right now, and having a vision of a Goddess. A literal Goddess lol. I’ve read that astronauts sometimes have mystical experiences up there. I wonder if they are any different from terrestrial ones. It would be cool to need to add an addendum to William James’s Varieties of Mystical Experience.

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    Wagner Reply:

    I don’t even think I’d get the “I need to go back!” urge. Just looking down at Earth from afar for decades, sounds nice. Barter contemptuous observations for launched capsules filled with experimental entheogens. After a while could probably install a section of rainforest with waterfall for the needed nature-fix, ground scarred by capsule impacts over time. Eventually others would want the same and soon we’d be watching our neighbors watch Earth, too.

    There are levels of consciousness that could be unlocked if we were not confined to the spoken and unspoken laws here. Imagine watching human beings only with a telescope for a few years- what would that do to your head? Put the earpods in, no news, no news, no frivolous news, nothing to do with current events, outside of history in a sense, just watching. Maybe the occasional fortune cookie strip of paper inside an apple launched up to you about something Crazy that happened, if even that. Who cares? What is something that is actually important that has happened in the last 100 years? or 1000?

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    Wagner Reply:

    This is your mind on ‘thinking about the realm of the forms earlier in the day’. The ones I’m looking for aren’t naive enough to cross their neuroelectrical-currents with the internet, no wonder I can’t find many of them here. Socrates was brought to the Piraeus by force, if you remember. There are recluses out there right now, mark my words, that are going to hit us internet-users with dirtybombs we never would expect.

    Wagner Reply:

    Duude, watching this live right now.. we’re getting closer to satellite villages…

    This is a crucial stage in the occidental will to truth. Once we are able to establish a society up there,,, there’s no telling what thoughts we might have. Once mankind is divided from itself… this physical atomization is necessary. This is the beginnings of posthumanism.

    Wagner Reply:

    There are air and earth peoples. Airs represent transcendence, earths seek hedonism. From where I am watching on this planet the earths wish to save every humanoid, mammal, bug, and microbe. That is their logic: “Before we can move to the air we must save every other living being.” The airs’ response is: Wouldn’t that take forever?

    At some point you have to sacrifice a level of sentient being. Vegans sacrifice lettuce. Reactionaries sacrifice.. use your imagination 😉

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  • Wagner Says:

    Some people play games with me that are just hilarious, others profound, still others disquieting. Some real symbologists out there!

    🤔 We live in a—secret society?

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  • Wagner Says:

    Imagine if they let me and a few of my friends offer direct advice for the new Joker movie. It would be a lot better. Instead they all strive toward conformist trash supported by popular demand.

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  • Wagner Says:

    The internet is a patch. It needs its own Singapore. People would act crazier (in a good way) there. The internet now hypnotizes most to be obedient schoolchildren. You could say Jack is the superintendent in a way, tho I think he’s pressured by certain people. Could we get a formalist team to figure out who they are? So we’ll say he’s the principal, and there are higher forces controlling him. Twitter is the digital version of “polite society”. “Facebook was too oppressive, we exited.” We could always try to change the patch from within. I’d like to know the esoteric perspective of the shady figures who regulate twitter. They have an interest in keeping things going as they’re going in society, I wonder why that is. Certain opinions are silenced to preserve the Order. What is it they like about the Order? Wouldn’t it be funny if Jack went AWOL and wrote the most right-wing memoir ever? Even if he wrote it as a leftist and revealed to us the secrets of the left, wouldn’t that redeem him somewhat for all the bans? The last few years I think all of us have learned a lot.

    Anyway, the internet is a form of mind-control that affects the real world and social media is at the center of that. Censoring people is basically rating them R and treating the obedient demographic like children by saying You can’t watch that. It’s for keeping a certain caste of people from “getting any ideas”. Sure some kids deserve to be expelled, others are just asking the innocent question, “Is our superintendent nice, Mr. Dorsey? What do the parents talk about at the school board meetings?”

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