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		<title>By: Lesser Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesser Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an interesting review  http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/166256
It claims that war happens when states misestimate their relative strengths, so they aren&#039;t able to reach a compromise position.  War leads to peace when it accurately establishes their relative strengths.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting review  <a href="http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/166256" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/166256</a><br />
It claims that war happens when states misestimate their relative strengths, so they aren&#8217;t able to reach a compromise position.  War leads to peace when it accurately establishes their relative strengths.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33365</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have tons of questions. But how did you end up there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tons of questions. But how did you end up there?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33324</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 01:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THIS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS</p>
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		<title>By: Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the OP:

- “War is computation with tanks. War is truth revealing. As war proceeds uncertainty collapses.”

- &quot;War is the truth of lies, the rule of rulelessness, anarchy and chaos as they are in reality (which is nothing at all like a simple negation of order). It is the ultimate tribunal, beyond which any appeal is a senseless prayer to the void. A ‘realism’ that resists such conclusions makes a mockery of the name.&quot;

- &quot;An aristocracy is a social arrangement that was decided by war, and when the war is forgotten the institution has no sustainable meaning. There is only one thing that can ‘bring back’ a king, and that is the end of peace.&quot;

And this is why monarchy / aristocracy is not a serious political proposal, at least not the way Moldbug and Anissimov.

Historically, monarchy / aristocracy = rule by warriors and their gradually degenerating descendants.

Some people seem to think that you can replicate this by picking a rich merchant or even a blogger and declaring him king.

Why is this a silly idea?

It&#039;s because &quot;War is truth revealing&quot; in a way that writing / politics (sophistry) or actual existing capitalism (ultra-crony-capitalism) are not.

Making some billionaire King is not enough. &quot;Samurai are the total opposite of a Merchant.&quot;

http://31.media.tumblr.com/3fc93dda46675fb2e8425b0f0aeea217/tumblr_mryc4mPGR01rrkv6so1_500.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the OP:</p>
<p>&#8211; “War is computation with tanks. War is truth revealing. As war proceeds uncertainty collapses.”</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8220;War is the truth of lies, the rule of rulelessness, anarchy and chaos as they are in reality (which is nothing at all like a simple negation of order). It is the ultimate tribunal, beyond which any appeal is a senseless prayer to the void. A ‘realism’ that resists such conclusions makes a mockery of the name.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8220;An aristocracy is a social arrangement that was decided by war, and when the war is forgotten the institution has no sustainable meaning. There is only one thing that can ‘bring back’ a king, and that is the end of peace.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is why monarchy / aristocracy is not a serious political proposal, at least not the way Moldbug and Anissimov.</p>
<p>Historically, monarchy / aristocracy = rule by warriors and their gradually degenerating descendants.</p>
<p>Some people seem to think that you can replicate this by picking a rich merchant or even a blogger and declaring him king.</p>
<p>Why is this a silly idea?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because &#8220;War is truth revealing&#8221; in a way that writing / politics (sophistry) or actual existing capitalism (ultra-crony-capitalism) are not.</p>
<p>Making some billionaire King is not enough. &#8220;Samurai are the total opposite of a Merchant.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://31.media.tumblr.com/3fc93dda46675fb2e8425b0f0aeea217/tumblr_mryc4mPGR01rrkv6so1_500.png" rel="nofollow">http://31.media.tumblr.com/3fc93dda46675fb2e8425b0f0aeea217/tumblr_mryc4mPGR01rrkv6so1_500.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saddam Hussein's Whirling Aluminium Tubes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iraq was (or at least should have been) a wakeup call to rightists who felt that they could support the Republican party as the lesser of two evils.

Not necessarily before it happened, it&#039;s understandable to be fooled, but afterwards, seeing how it turned out and seeing the pre-war narrative collapse utterly and completely, with no hope that even paid shills could continue to maintain it.

The ultracalvinists went waaaaay too far with that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iraq was (or at least should have been) a wakeup call to rightists who felt that they could support the Republican party as the lesser of two evils.</p>
<p>Not necessarily before it happened, it&#8217;s understandable to be fooled, but afterwards, seeing how it turned out and seeing the pre-war narrative collapse utterly and completely, with no hope that even paid shills could continue to maintain it.</p>
<p>The ultracalvinists went waaaaay too far with that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Handle</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33297</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  I think something definitely started about then, and there were four election-synched phases:

1. 2002 - Post 9/11, Pro-Iraq-War build-up
2. 2006 - Contra-Iraq-War &#039;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#039; era.
3. 2007-8 - Obama Election (this is when most media outlets just dropped all pretense of balance and objectivity, and, in my judgment, a very disappointing sea-change at The Economist)
4. 2012 - Obama Reelection.  The Romney failure in the face of Obamacare and a lackluster economy threw much of the mainstream / establishment American right into a permanent funk from which they have not emerged, and perhaps never will.

There seems to be some emotional function of hope and optimism vs expected momentum towards &#039;the dream&#039;.  The dream once seemed possible, and now it seems to be progressively and irreversibly receding into the distance.

There has been a lot of denial and willful blindness and magical thinking for a long time.  And then finally there is the shock of realization and depressed resignation at the acceptance of the ugly truth of permanent decline.

I think this is the frustrating emotional environment that is creating a lot of prereactionaries out there, looking for an escape, hungry for an alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I think something definitely started about then, and there were four election-synched phases:</p>
<p>1. 2002 &#8211; Post 9/11, Pro-Iraq-War build-up<br />
2. 2006 &#8211; Contra-Iraq-War &#8216;Bush Derangement Syndrome&#8217; era.<br />
3. 2007-8 &#8211; Obama Election (this is when most media outlets just dropped all pretense of balance and objectivity, and, in my judgment, a very disappointing sea-change at The Economist)<br />
4. 2012 &#8211; Obama Reelection.  The Romney failure in the face of Obamacare and a lackluster economy threw much of the mainstream / establishment American right into a permanent funk from which they have not emerged, and perhaps never will.</p>
<p>There seems to be some emotional function of hope and optimism vs expected momentum towards &#8216;the dream&#8217;.  The dream once seemed possible, and now it seems to be progressively and irreversibly receding into the distance.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of denial and willful blindness and magical thinking for a long time.  And then finally there is the shock of realization and depressed resignation at the acceptance of the ugly truth of permanent decline.</p>
<p>I think this is the frustrating emotional environment that is creating a lot of prereactionaries out there, looking for an escape, hungry for an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Driftforge</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Driftforge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, spent ten years there from the time I was 7.  It isn&#039;t (or at least wasn&#039;t) as bad as is made out to be; in all that time I was only shot once. It was an incredible place to grow up, and I wouldn&#039;t trade that experience for any other. 

Technically Papuans are the Highlanders there; the lowlanders are Melanesian. My time was mixed between the two regions. I lived in Madang, Telefomin, Wewak, Ukarumpa and Port Moresby - some with my parents, others to be at school.

Such a different focus on life. Relationships are all important. Work is something that is necessary in order to eat but not overbearing; the country is productive and at least when I was there not overpopulated. A mix of hunting and crop farming (tribally), with all the modern opportunities mixing in. But poor relationships leads to serious consequences, so people came first.

Not uncommon to see a bush hut with a tv and video player inside, genset out the back. Contrasting elements of stone age and modern age technology everywhere.

I ramble; if there are specific questions, ask.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, spent ten years there from the time I was 7.  It isn&#8217;t (or at least wasn&#8217;t) as bad as is made out to be; in all that time I was only shot once. It was an incredible place to grow up, and I wouldn&#8217;t trade that experience for any other. </p>
<p>Technically Papuans are the Highlanders there; the lowlanders are Melanesian. My time was mixed between the two regions. I lived in Madang, Telefomin, Wewak, Ukarumpa and Port Moresby &#8211; some with my parents, others to be at school.</p>
<p>Such a different focus on life. Relationships are all important. Work is something that is necessary in order to eat but not overbearing; the country is productive and at least when I was there not overpopulated. A mix of hunting and crop farming (tribally), with all the modern opportunities mixing in. But poor relationships leads to serious consequences, so people came first.</p>
<p>Not uncommon to see a bush hut with a tv and video player inside, genset out the back. Contrasting elements of stone age and modern age technology everywhere.</p>
<p>I ramble; if there are specific questions, ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2002?  Yes.  The 2002 election cycle is when I left the reservation.  Whatever sense of unity existed after 9/11 was burned in that campaign.  What triggered the witch hunt?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2002?  Yes.  The 2002 election cycle is when I left the reservation.  Whatever sense of unity existed after 9/11 was burned in that campaign.  What triggered the witch hunt?</p>
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		<title>By: VXXC</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VXXC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;@Lesser Bull&lt;/strong&gt;,

War shows you who&#039;s who.   

War can take you from Whom to Who, if you have balls and live.

War will show you who you are along with who is siding you.   

In this sense the last 12 years of Prog war were for the Progs and hack Pols a terrible mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Lesser Bull</strong>,</p>
<p>War shows you who&#8217;s who.   </p>
<p>War can take you from Whom to Who, if you have balls and live.</p>
<p>War will show you who you are along with who is siding you.   </p>
<p>In this sense the last 12 years of Prog war were for the Progs and hack Pols a terrible mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: spandrell</title>
		<link>http://www.xenosystems.net/war-and-truth-scraps/#comment-33270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[spandrell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2014 07:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You grew up amongst the Papuans? How awesome is that. Pray tell more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You grew up amongst the Papuans? How awesome is that. Pray tell more.</p>
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