What’s in a word?

The vulgarity of pop-reaction is matched only by the stupidity of mainstream conservatism:

I bring this up because I suppose it’s possible that some conservatives might embrace this term without fully understanding the racial and sexual implications. To some, it might be seen as an innocent jab — like calling someone a “squish” or a “RINO.” But as Erickson correctly observes, “Remember, if you hear the term ‘cuckservative,’ it is a slur against Christian voters coined by white-supremacists.”

If anyone deserves a gutter-fight with degenerates, it’s the GOP. It seems quite probable that they’ll lose.

(If you’re tempted to roll out your degeneracy in the comments thread, think again. We gibbet people for such things in these parts.)

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  • What’s in a word? | Neoreactive Says:

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  • Nick B. Steves Says:

    I detest the term. Certainly it does convey some truth about the situation in which conservatives ought to perceive themselves. A truth much LESS likely now to gain a hearing among them, being needlessly insulted by a term cooked up from slime of the filthiest bowels of the porno-net.

    I continue to maintain that the filthier high-profile white nationalists are crypto-jews deliberately trying to discredit that movement with their filth. And the very stupid goys follow and shout hur-dur.

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    anagram Reply:

    ‘Conservakin’ is a much better descriptor here. Rolls off the tongue easier, and it’s funnier. What could be better?

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    Mai La Dreapta Reply:

    “Conservakin” is a much better term for the mainstream right, and it has excellent NRx cred. “Cuckservative” is for the WN proles.

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    Lawrence Murray Reply:

    Insulting your enemy’s masculinity is an age-old tactic for keeping men in the role of men.

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    Harold Reply:

    ““Conservakin” is a much better term for the mainstream right”

    This reminds of those people who suggest other names for The Cathedral and claim those names are more apt descriptors, as if being an apt descriptor were the point of the term. The term is a shiv. If you call someone who prides themsleves on being an irreligious freethinker an acolyte of The Cathedral, they will take umbrage, they will feel defensive. It invites them to try and defend themselves. They will fail. If you call them a follower of The Synagogue they will think you are an anti-semitic idiot and continue on their way. If you call them a follower of The Polygon they won’t have any idea what you are talking about, think you are weird, and continue on their way.

    I’ll leave the analogous cases for this discussion as an exercise for the reader.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    Cuckservative sounds Heartistian to me. And I’ve heard a rumor that he’s actually Jewish. (Which, if true, is going to make for some serious popcorn when it comes out. I have no idea how his worshipful commentariat will react, but I anticipate various angles with relish.)

    But though he’s a high-profile WN, he’s not exactly the worst of the bunch.

    Query: If the libs really are trying to replace white men with black men in the sexual hierarchy, why is it degenerate to mention that out loud? Or do I misunderstand the shading undertones of “cuckservative”?

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    E. Antony Gray (@RiverC) Reply:

    My only comment here is that it’s an insult that actually works on a white man. Of course, anyone who actually wanted to hurt white men rather than play victim to them, would have brought it out ages ago.

    They’re just cuckoo for cocoa puffs, you know.

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    mark power Reply:

    Roissy/heartiste is German, but they may have other writers now. Cuckservatives are a real thing, not just a slur. Any white man still an NFL fan is one. This is a funny site: https://twitter.com/cuckservative

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    michael Reply:

    Im not clear on a lot of things-go ahead laugh you brainiacs but then please explain.

    How is it a legitimate criticism that this is porn related? Just because some cryptoprog says so? It seems this portmaneau could be unpacked in polite company as easily as not, If ones filthy habits makes it that much deadlier so much the better.
    I am not even clear how its specifically anti christian [again according to the author] -Oh I am clear on the weakness the Christian alliance has always created for the GOP [and I think will also for DENRX] but plenty of NRO types are just as in favor of these SJW policies as christians.
    I also dont see how this is WN per se ,that seems to be the prog attack on any conservative position that favors maintaining European cultural hegemony from school curriculum to immigration policy.
    And even if it were WN what happened to no enemies to the right?

    I have seen this term around a bit but didnt really think much about, it now that I do it seems quite apt if not really very catchy, and I am surprised its disfavored in these parts.
    As for steves argument that NRO will now be too miffed to be introspective I gotta say Im howling with laughter .The phrase conversion of the Jews comes to mind.

    So I gather the WN hating in these parts is a class thing, I admit it took a few years of HBD research to start to overcome my upbringing and agree with them mostly. Maybe not for the reasons they think as they do, and strategically they are radioactive, and I get why we dont encourage socializing over policy debates.
    But its delusional to think the progs or cuckservatives would see the distinction.In fact this is the point of the slander it matters not whether your policy is motivated by irrational hate or regression analysis its the disparate impact that matters.

    I do like the term” pop reaction” though; and i suppose this is admins real worry, But isnt that a synonym for populist and unlikely to tarnish DENRX Or is there some actual connection to the exiled,

    Since I see nick particularly is offended let me say Im also a catholic of the lapsed but not hostile variety and my worries about christianity are strategic and philosophical politically not ontological.I just think its is a leftists creed and also undermines out rational claim.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Aversion to WN is not a caste thing at all. Admin himself, my most standards devout anti-prole, has identified many perfectly respectable WN folks. Aversion to low caste WN may be a caste thing, but we have an aversion to low castes in general. It has nothing to do with WN. I think we could all agree that it would be a better world if the stupid could keep their opinions to themselves. O Shame Culture, where have you gone? The bottom line for an intellectual movement is that you have to unattract the stupid. And if waging a (largely) fake war against cuckservative is part of that, then so be it.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    And who the hell cares about “NRO types”? Who said anything about NRO? I don’t even read it. I’m talking about actual social conservatives, good and decent people, who are going to be put off by some potty-mouthed ape screaming “CUCKSERVATIVE” to the riotous enjoyment of his poop-throwing cagemates.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Good and decent people who, of course, actually ARE getting taken advantage of.

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    It’s very convenient to detest this term for being lower class. You then don’t have to address the uncomfortable socio-sexual dynamic that it signifies. (Which, issue, itself, smacks of vulgarity).

    However, it must be true that 1) The progs are deliberately replacing white men with black men in their mocha-colored final solution, (and standard conservatism is a humiliated but complicit accomplice in this process), or 2) they’re not doing that.

    If they are, (and they are, by the way), I think it would be helpful to acknowledge it. If they aren’t, it would be helpful to deny it and try to convince others. For all your emoting and disgust, you’ve managed to do neither thing. Are some cows too sacred even for the dark side?

    michael Reply:

    I’m talking about actual social conservatives, good and decent people,
    They hang out at NRO you know the upper class ones you like the lower class ones hang out at breitbart I suppose] and NRO makes them watch the cuckolding they are getting, and fires or moderates any dissenters.
    The insult “cuckservative ” is an attempt to get past the Ministry of Truth with a deft blow of hard truth.I dont have a dog in the WN or NRO ring but until today I would have guessed if DENRX had to pick a side [which BTW we didn’t} then we would have picked WN and the poor cuckolds who need to wake the fuck up.
    As I said I have seen no evidence low class racists coined this and would have guessed good decent conservatives who have taken the red pill coined it, I certainly see no harm in it. Worrying conservatives will be too insulted to defend their principles seems just a weird explanation, particularly from one who dedicates his life to a philosophy that conservatism has been PWND

    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Haderach, so much bovine excrement, so little time. The overwhelmingly dominant reason whites are becoming a minority is that whites married to whites are having too few kids, marrying each other too late to have many, or not getting married at all. And no Magical Jewish Overlord is making them do that. Or fail to do it, as the case may be.

    And if, in fact, the Magic Jewish Overlord was doing that, well then he would have proved himself to be of the Master Race.

    Whiny WNs putting the blame on Muh Cuutlrural Marxyism are at the exact same stage of self-uplift as whiny blacks putting the blame all on whitey. Even if true, it’s counterproductive and thus false.

    Now that’s a meme I’d like to see #NRx run with.

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    I’m not in the Magical Jewish Overlord camp. As a mischling, it would be odd if I were, since I have inside knowledge that the Magical Jew is an overwrought shibboleth of prole reaction. Just for the record, though, I’m not the one who brought up Jews.

    Fertility is the biggest issue, immigration the second biggest issue. I agree with that. But c’mon – Bella and the Bulldogs? Really? It’s not like the sharp-eyed producers who commissioned the show were unaware of Butler’s sole other notable production when he pitched them B&B.

    Powerful Black Man – Sexy White Woman – Wimpy White Surplus Male is a thing in the media, and has been for a long time. It is humiliating and being humiliated matters.

    But alright. I agree with Michael too. NRx didn’t need to chose sides in this battle, and yet doesn’t need to. So I’m willing to agree to disagree and drop this.

    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    LOL. OK, the Magical Jewish PURITAN Overlord.

    I agree the media is at war with traditional and rooted society. A righteous CEO/King would oven all of it. Until then, the passivist approach is stop contending with it, hack the system, and build our own.

    Henk Reply:

    Whiny WNs putting the blame on Muh Cuutlrural Marxyism are at the exact same stage of self-uplift as whiny blacks putting the blame all on whitey.

    I have heard this before, it’s a tempting meme. (Especially tempting for those in the HBD sphere who have developed a tendency to reduce every difference to points on the IQ continuum, but I digress.)
    It is also easily seen to be false. Run four thought experiments:
    Remove B. What happens to W? Remove J. What happens to W? Remove W. What happens to B? Remove W. What happens to J?
    Comparing the B:W and W:J interactions, it is obviously not the same kind of relation.

    Even if true, it’s counterproductive and thus false.

    But WN “whining”, as far as I can tell from not following them around the net, is not the same as black “whining”. Both seem quite aware of the probable results of above thought experiment and are gunning for completely different outcomes: Remove J vs. gimmedat.
    The fact that both camps are running around blaming their respective target for…something, everything…is a lamentable yet inevitable result of white psychology. Over here, Whitey wouldn’t assent to gimmedat without feeling guilty. Over there, Whitey won’t assent to remove J without a guilty verdict.

    vxxc2014 Reply:

    “WN hating in these parts is a class thing”

    Yes. Pretentious at that.

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    admin Reply:

    This is a blog. Overwhelmingly, it’s value lies in the quality of its commentators. The end.

    No one here seriously thinks a pile of repetitive, thuggish, obscenity-strewn shouting is worth reading through — or if, bizarrely, they do, there are roughly a zillion places they can go to get it. I’m now going to declare that anyone who still doesn’t get this EXTREMELY obvious point has exempted themselves from all reasonable consideration as a conversation partner.

    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    That certainly applies to weev

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Weev definitely knows his audience. But he is a troll, admits it openly, and is completely in command of his show with a well-thought out strategy. I do not detect much in the way of strategy in the #MuhWhiteGenocide crowd. They appear to genuinely believe someone’s gonna hand them power. They seem to be oblivious to how stupid and agency-less they look. It would not surprise me at all if some Jew was behind these accounts for the specific purpose of discrediting the thoughtful and civilized versions of WNism—i.e., the parts of it that actually can (and do) bring vision and uplift to white peoples.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    What is the deal with Weev. I’ve read a couple articles about him, and from what I can tell he’s pretty big news (by name mentioned in the Guardian). Why has he taken interest in neoreaction, and is the only member of Anonymous to do so?

    TRDante Reply:

    I personally suspect it’s a slav, judging by the butthurt reaction when I called out Genophilia’s avatar.

    Harold Reply:

    Weev is a disgusting degenerate. Listen to his appearance on The DailyShoah.

    The “#MuhWhiteGenocide crowd” have a simple strategy, and it is working.

    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    You’re triggered. And it’s not funny.

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    TRDante Reply:

    The reason I posted on TRD instead of TRV is because the term is intentionally crass and prole-oriented. I certainly hope to god I don’t see anyone saying “cuckservative” in a serious conversation, I think “conservakin” is a much less crude description of the same thing.

    But for whatever reason, (perhaps BECAUSE of the crassness) the “cuckservative” meme has greater sticking power and more traction among the proles. I’ve checked on twitter, and the “cuckservative” trend is only growing and growing. But at the same time, my post on it was linked to /r/DarkEnlightenment. I feel like that sub should have more high-value content than a primarily humorous article where I call someone a faggot in increasingly silly ways.

    But I suppose that’s what we get for playing with memes…

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  • fnn Says:

    I continue to maintain that the filthier high-profile white nationalists are crypto-jews deliberately trying to discredit that movement with their filth.

    That’s what I thought of The Right Stuff from the first time I heard it.

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    an inanimate aluminum tube Reply:

    The Right Stuff isn’t remotely comparable to the filthier parts of the WN-o-sphere. The Right Stuff is just making fun of sacred cows, their actual views are middle of the road and commonsensical.

    If you’re going to suspect someone of being a shill, you should suspect the guys tied in with violent extremism and advocacy of genocide, not the guys who effectively make fun of political correctness on the internet.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Agreed.

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    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    Just for future reference my position is always the same as what this guy says

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  • Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Says:

    The only thing I care about is victory so I have to ask “does it work?”

    If not, then don’t use it, if it does then use it.

    A year ago if you asked me “would Donald Trump trolling the media work to push things to the right” I probably would have said “no”. But it looks like it’s working and that’s what matters to me.

    If civilized men won’t defend the banner of civilization then the less-civilized will.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Work for what?

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    Erebus Reply:

    So “what works” is buffoonery and demagoguery, with a smattering of hypocrisy and banality, whether one is on the right or the left.

    …You must realize what this says about America’s political system — and, by extension, the global institution of modern democracy. What was once (nominally) solemn and serious has devolved into shameless farce. Can one seriously argue that this degraded system is worthy of continued survival?

    I’d say to hell with what works. Do the opposite. You’ll sleep easier at night, knowing that you haven’t bent the knee to the ringleaders of this circus. Besides, things may need to get worse before they get better — “conservatism” is likely only delaying the inevitable. (#AAA)

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    michael Reply:

    yes conservatism is delaying the inevitable and this word undermines that type of conservatism it screams the GOP is fucking you! I have no Idea where they are getting this thing about mecegenation-sure the progs are pushing it in a thousand ways nick seems not to know 20% of white women are giving birth to non white kids then add in non white adoption and where would the white birth rate be, if you live in NYC you would notice interacial couples are a huge thing.
    But I see that as only peripherally connected to this word

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    michael Reply:

    seeing kwisitz latest to nick fertility vs immigration Id like to add to the above. Immigration suppresses wages causes unemployment increases costs on everything from real estate to medicine while simultaneously increasing taxes and debt. we could have moved mars into close earth solar orbit and terraformed it for what diversity really costs.
    All of this prevents whites from attaining the financial security safety and dignity they biologically require for family formation.Mexicans have welfare baby booms whites dont. This is why the issue is Immigration immigration immigration

    Puzzle Privateer (@PuzzlePrivateer) Reply:

    “You’ll sleep easier at night”

    I’ll sleep better at night after victory.

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    Erebus Reply:

    There’s no winning with democracy.

    The game is rigged: It’s inner-party vs. outer-party in an in-your-face spectacle of government. It only makes sense to walk away from the table, or at least sit-out the game. (Seek exit or stick to a principle of non-participation, to say nothing of AAA.) You can’t win this game with memes and catchphrases, as your opponents are far more skilled and experienced memetic engineers than you are; they know every media/PR trick in the books, they’ve been riding Cthulhu himself and steering him left, and don’t forget that the plebes you’d need to court for “victory” are in large proportion extremely stupid and susceptible to media manipulation. You’re not going to co-opt the outer party.

    Mark Citadel Reply:

    “Can one seriously argue that this degraded system is worthy of continued survival?”

    No.

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    TRDante Reply:

    There was no serious or solemn element to American Democracy. It was demagoguery and buffoonery from the start. There is no dignity to preserve, only the illusion of dignity. I’ve long-since posited that the best thing to do is to shatter that illusion and show people how awful things really are.

    The primary issue with that though, is that people are stupid. They like stupid things. America was a nation built on the lowest common denominator and couldn’t even make it a century before whatever safeguards against common stupidity there were had been totally eradicated. So when you tell people the way things are, can we really expect them to get why that’s a bad thing?

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    Agree.

    This is hands on, hands dirty job.

    No one is blogging their way to power either.

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  • Kgaard Says:

    Seems like an evocative and non-useless term. I don’t even see precisely how it lies outside the admin’s own worldview.

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    Rasputin Reply:

    I think the objection must surely stem from the implied association (with twats), rather than the coinage itself, which is rather fun.

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    michael Reply:

    exactly it gets to so many issues on many levels its dark admin is getting soft we must kill him

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    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    lol

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    Irving Reply:

    The real issue is this: Admin abhors democracy; those who use the term “cuckservative” do so in protest of the fact that the Republican Party is not democratic, because it doesn’t represent the interests of its voting base, thus making the users of the term democrats; therefore, admin opposes those who use the term for being democrats, and the term itself because it is used as a defense of democracy.

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Pretty well thought-out objection Irving. Still think the word fills a useful niche though.

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    michael Reply:

    thank you that does sound like his thinking but i still say no enemies to the right and trolling is fun

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    Meow Blitz Reply:

    Personally I’m waiting for our Hyperborean Aryan Lords from beyond the Outer Dimension of Xar-M-Gath’Ur to bring about a new universal Monarchy. I’m so above using inferior proletarian terms like ‘cuckservative’. All action is decadent and the human race should be reduced for the coming of the Holy King of ErbL-Rath. Now that’s trve Reaction you filthy plebs.

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  • 4candles Says:

    Word Up

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  • an inanimate aluminum tube Says:

    ” The overwhelmingly dominant reason whites are becoming a minority is that whites married to whites are having too few kids, marrying each other too late to have many, or not getting married at all.”

    But this is completely wrong.

    The Japanese are having even fewer kids than whites are. But they are not becoming a minority at all. Because they don’t allow mass immigration to their country. Japan will have a smaller population in the future but, unless something changes, Japanese people will not become a minority, despite their low birth rates.

    Mass immigration is the primary factor in whites becoming a minority.

    And mass immigration is a political issue. Actual people were involved in making it happen.

    And the utter failure of Western conservatism is a big part of the story of mass immigration. Failure might be too kind of a word, more like treason, as much of Western conservatism has been in the tank for mass immigration for quite a while.

    Someone as knowledgeable as yourself must already understand this, so why would you promote the false and distorted version of events in the original quote?

    Sad.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    OK. Yes. But whites are doomed either way. I don’t see how letting in a bunch of indios changes anything. We have de facto apartheid anyway.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    I bristle at the Ape WN perspective that directs needless hatred at other groups. (Not saying you are in that cohort of course.) I don’t want them here any more than the apes do. But I find this sort of mindless stupidity to be damaging… TO WHITES. They remain the masters of their own destiny. I multiplied my white blue-eyed genes by a factor of 4. What’s Apey McDickwad’s record on that?

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    Henk Reply:

    The very low fertility of the civilised is a phenomenon that wants explanation and, in the long run, will need fixing. Yes.

    But enter into a breeding rat-race with immigrants? Is this a Catholic thing? Or breeding footsoldiers for the “coming” bloody race war? Or an attempt to defuse the situation by making sure to breed enough productive people so they can overfeed the parasites into peaceful post-prandial lethargy?

    I guess you can tell that I don’t understand you.

    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    admin Reply:

    (Next ‘comment’ this trollish gets cut.)

    michael Reply:

    How the fuck is that! 90% of the economic calamity [ which is what we expect to cause the great collapse right? ] , is from spending to make non whites seem to have white outcomes. White Northern European countries without huge non white immigrant populations have socialism that just hobbles them a bit. We can recover from socialism; the economy collapses ,oops! rebuild same country.
    But when whites are a minority in the US in 30 years and it crashes there’s no reboot! There’s no coming back from that, there’s no us. How can you not fucking get that.
    Its not going to be like being some ethnic Chinese, economically dominant minority. Its going to be like being a South African farmer. Your four little kids if you really have any,are going to be eaten alive. And do you really think whites in Asia are going to have the same privilege they do now once we are the race that went extinct and president malia obama is demanding all whites be extradited for war crimes. Its got nothing to do with hatred you dont hate a dog for not being a cat, I dont blame mexicans for coming here I blame the people who let them and you seem to be one of them.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    You watch too much Outrage Porn.

    And 4/0.5 = 8 last time I checked.

    Kudzu Bob Reply:

    Are you familiar with what ecologists call the Competitive Exclusion Principle?

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    When your position Mr. Steves is “we’re doomed” what objection do you have to being effective? even at merely being obnoxious?

    Whites of course even with mass immigration aren’t close to being minorities yet and if they’ll fight…which might mean bad language at the start …if they fight they live.

    Whites simply aren’t a minority although the numbers are rapidly increasing of immigrants, it should be shut with bars of iron and most of them sent packing.

    Some of NRx seems to be I’ve decided to lay down and die and you’re low class if you don’t join me.

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  • Brett Stevens Says:

    Technically, Budweiser is “beer.”

    In the same way, the GOP are “conservatives.”

    Symbols mislead us because social trends mislead us.

    Conservatism is bigger than one party. Burn the GOP to the ground, because they have failed. Let rise a new party, hopefully one that Jeff Davis would have approved of.

    1788 / 1860

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    michael Reply:

    LOL you better get out of here theyre looking to tar and feather the racist tonight and Im getting my pig in the parlor Irish on

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  • 4candles Says:

    Personally, I feel that if Wrecking Ball can win a VMA then Anaconda should at least get a nomination.

    #Misognynoir #GoNicki #hitthemwiththeretardstick

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  • Orthodox Says:

    Fox News flooded the airwaves with ISIS coverage and drowned out everything until the Baltimore riots erupted. If you caught O’Reilly-Kelly-Hannity evening opinion shows during this time, they’d lead off the show with ISIS. Pundits went on Fox and said how Rand Paul is in trouble because 2016 will be about foreign policy. Daily Caller spiked a Kaus article on illegal immigration because it called out Fox for not covering the issues.

    Trump made a throwaway line in an off the cuff speech about illegal immigration and now media outlets are immediately reporting illegal immigrant participation in crimes, and there’s already been several after seemingly zero for many years if you only watched Cathedral Inner Party media, an occasional illegal alien drunk driver killing a native if you watched Outer Party.

    The Outer Party media also tried to cook up a narrative about Trump trashing veterans with his McCain comments, which fell apart one day later.

    Now Daily Caller has to address the term cuckservative which exists for maybe a year, @cuckservative only exists since April.

    I don’t think this is unrelated. The Cathedral’s Outer Party is failing at its job with Narrative control.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    “I don’t think this is unrelated. The Cathedral’s Outer Party is failing at its job with Narrative control.”

    Then Hail Cuckservative.

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  • Hattori Says:

    That comments section on the article is a disaster.

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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    Shrugging your shoulders about this term, even if you find it distasteful, is required if the alt-right is going start to effectively embrace a “no enemies to the right” policy. It might be prole tinged vulgarity, but by god they are *our* vulgar proles.

    That being said, I think the term is both tactically and strategically a win for the Dark Enlightenment. Tactically, the term shatters the moral halo that surrounds race blindness, and instead taints it by associating it with sexually degenerate racial fetishism. There is a cold core or truth to it as well – just like the Cuckold gets off on having his wife ravished by another man, the left-liberal progs, and the right-liberal “conservatives” are both getting off on having their civilization and culture get ravished by the rising tide of color.

    “Neocon” is a slur that this easy to shrug off or even embrace. Cuckservative? That is a nasty thing to be called, and is is the type of slur that you can’t but help defend yourself against. But, defending against the attack only reaffirms the point that cuckservatives are willing to ignore white interests, or dismiss them as illegitimate. If the defense attempt yields the point that it is legitimate for whites to organize in their self interest – like all other ethnic/racial groups- it is still game over.

    Strategically, the term can “work” by delegitimating the GOP and the conservative movement as a force that is going to somehow turn things around. If these voters can come to accept that Conservatism Inc. isn’t going to do squat, then they may be more willing to explore and embrace non-electoral strategies, communities, and practices developed by the alt-right.

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    4candles Reply:

    Cuckservative? That is a nasty thing to be called, and is is the type of slur that you can’t but help defend yourself against.

    What are you, five? Did your mommy not teach you sticks and stones? FFS, the comments here are the most depressing thing I think I’ve read. Y’all guffaw at terms like ‘racist’ having no meaning, and then you spend paragraphs detailing the tactical advantage of deploying (or allowing) ‘Cuckservative’. Seriously, I’ll say it again: is NRx five? Can you actually read (y’know, Moldbug and Land and shit)? I thought the whole point was to get away from this kind of stuff..?

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    What kind of stuff?

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    4candles Reply:

    Essentially: My dad is bigger than your dad.

    nydwracu Reply:

    Essentially: My dad is bigger than your dad.

    No. The point is that conservatives are neutered, uncharismatic, lacking the masculine force that, in the extreme case… well, by the estimates I’ve heard if all the descendants of Genghis Khan formed their own country, it would be within the 40 most populous countries in the world, not too far behind Canada.

    Why the hell would anyone respect these losers? The reality of war-ape psychology is that it’s just not going to happen. Why the hell would anyone respect white people in general, when we’ve rolled over and allowed ourselves to be pushed out of so much territory? The sun set on the empires. The sun set on Baltimore, Tower Hamlets, and dozens of other cities all throughout the West. Osama was right about one thing: “when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse”.

    But there are no more Genghis Khans today, and no Osamas. All we have to do is avoid the cultural tendency toward gratuitous displays of weakness. I hope Deray McWhatever becomes the international spokesman of progressivism — him and his vest and his talking about how he always wears the vest because it makes him feel safe. The strong horse doesn’t need to cart around a teddy bear.

    Can you actually read? Y’know, Moldbug and Land and shit? If you can, you’ll know where I first saw that line from Bin Laden. If you can’t read, it’s here and here and here and here.

    4candles Reply:

    @ nydwracu

    essentially: my dad is bigger than your dad.

    No. The point is that conservatives are neutered, uncharismatic, lacking the masculine force…

    You’re obviously detecting a difference in these two statements that is eluding me.

    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    You’re obviously detecting a difference in these two statements that is eluding me.

    Are sophisticated NRxians allowed to insult their ideological enemies at all? Or is every single insult just ape-man poo flinging?

    4candles Reply:

    Are sophisticated NRxians allowed to insult their ideological enemies at all? Or is every single insult just ape-man poo flinging?

    ‘Look! The curious ape-men are flinging their poo again – care for some popcorn?’ works pretty well in my book. There’s nothing more infuriating for control-freaks than elements that refuse to play ball.

    nydwracu Reply:

    “Are sophisticated NRxians allowed to insult their ideological enemies at all?” Why should I care? If I were y’all’s rabbi, y’all would be paying me. I don’t care if idiots shit up an identity that I’m not part of — I’ve been predicting that since the label was formed. If y’all really didn’t want idiots to shit it up, y’all would’ve moved to a system that doesn’t permit it long ago. As it is now, NRx belongs to any moron who can peck out a hashtag, or anyone who can manage to herd them.

    ‘Cuckservative’ exists. And it’s caught on. Why? Because the people using it see the people they’re using it on as the weak horse.

    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    Damn. You’re even more triggered than NBS above. How do you like it– raw, or with lube?

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    4candles Reply:

    ^ see?

    michael Reply:

    Id add yet again but maybe I can make it clearer this way.
    There no iron clad link to race in this word there’s ample plausible deniability. Your love is being untrue to you is granting favors to your rival. the conservative cucksevative loves his GOP who is selling him down the river [there i go getting racial lol] ….loves his GOP and conservative ink who are granting favors to his rival the DEMS/Progs. – they grant all sorts of progressive premises that the base disagrees with that have nothing to do with race.If some are going to subliminally think of miscegenation adverts, immigration, multicultural school curriculum, etc thats there racist hater shit.
    God i dont see how this is so complicated foe you all

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  • R7 Rocket Says:

    There sure is a bunch of mewling beta males here who are scared that other wimpy betas/gammas and women would be upset by strong, yet truthful language.

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    anti-hermetic Reply:

    Agreed. This second-guessing about such an effective meme sounds even more like beta wincing than class snobbery.

    Was GamerGate too low-brow as well? Perhaps it is jealous crabs pulling fellow right-wingers back down into the bucket.

    The word cuckhold aptly describes the white conservative enabling of brazenly and unashamedly anti-white forces. Let’s see if they can Buckley-purge this meme.

    The language is no more pornographic than that of Old Testament Prophets calling Israel a whore for lusting after foreign gods. As a Catholic, I find claims that such a term is anti-Christian to be particularly loathsome.

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    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    it is beta wincing disguised as snobbery

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    Exfernal Reply:

    A whore gets paid. A slut doesn’t.

    Using Old Testament imagery is obfuscating.

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    anti-hermetic Reply:

    Should have said “harlot” rather than “whore.” I used Old Testament imagery for contradicting prudes attempting to dismiss “cuckservative” as too pornographic.

    Mark Citadel Reply:

    As far as I can tell, this is just a MASSIVE trolling operation, just like the entire Trump campaign. As such, everyone keep your hands clean, but push it from the sidelines. The more that Conservatives have to acknowledge that they are struggling to keep their base in check, the better.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    ‘Cuckservative’ is an infectious term, and there are many different parties embracing it as a means to solidarity for the right, which it potentially is, but as it is also (predominantly) a negative descriptor, and a slur, against known enemies (sold-out media conservatives), it would be brash to suppose that its neo-archaic revival warrants the hopeful belief in a new awakening of American patriotism or European ethnic consciousness. This is not ‘beta wincing’, it is realism. I have seen the word deployed with enough wit to justify its use, and I have seen many attempts fail to do so. What is constructive in the idea (to put it abstractly) are its notions of a ‘propertarian’ Darwinism and everything that comes with it, such as the shameful idiocy of ‘poor bargaining’, the insane power-trip of ethno-masochism, and other deep curiosities of European peoples in post-colonial times. Does the progressive feminist male want to physically watch his girlfriend, or sister, in sexual liaison with an ethnic alien? I can only conjecture. The alt-right has life in it, and ‘cuckservative’ is a term of derision that is also a boundary, implying the possession of a ‘social Darwinist’ political identity, thus it will create just as much fission as it will fusion. Controversy is like that.

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    vxxc2014 Reply:

    R7 rocket forward –Yes.

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  • John Says:

    So I gather the WN hating in these parts is a class thing

    I don’t think it’s a class thing. The other elements of WN, such as the homosexual sub-culture (e.g. Jack Donovan, Counter-Currents etc.) and the obsession with comic book and Bond movies and marginal thinkers or writers such as Julius Evola are distasteful and off-putting as well.

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    Kgaard Reply:

    Just for the record, I don’t see how you can toss in Evola under WN. That’s not his thing at all. He has more in common with Joseph Campbell. He broke with Mussolini because he was NOT into the race thing. Evola is about excellence. Have you read Revolt Against the Modern World? It is an excellent book.

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  • peter connor Says:

    The term is usually used now for so-called conservatives, including many who work at places like NRO, usually white males, who seek the approval of those groups who are in the process of destroying them. These false conservatives seek to preserve social status by putting up a mock battle, then caving to the enemy ….They richly deserve the term cuckservative.

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  • Dark Psy-Ops Says:

    If a ‘cuckservative’ is a name for all those self-styled conservatives who are complicit in upholding a tyrannous and illegitimate ‘democratic’ rule, and are thus (entryist) progressives, then we can measure political cuckoldry by one’s wilful degree of self-representation in a socio-political system designed to ‘cuck’ one. It would be the political dependency equivalent of remaining with an openly unfaithful and contemptuous partner. The WN strategic attitude is to ‘alpha’ America, bring her back in line, set new boundaries, give her what she knows she wants good and hard. It’s a desperate pimp discipline for an over-aged whore of a country. And then to mention all the horns that grew for Trump… Does a hot for Trump even pass for the dignity of an honest cuck? Serious question. America will break up, but it will be a long dysfunctional, public drama which will be a low point for the lives of everyone caught up in it. Neoreaction can try to give its message: “secede!” but we all know how sensitive people are about psycho-sexual betrayal. Sensible advice is liable to get one hurt.

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    michael Reply:

    no I think 90% of “trump supporters ” are simply trolling the GOP Conservative INK and the Cathedral -maybe that should be one word,Im one of them Hes a complete idiot i have no idea how hes managed to hold on to his fortune but Ill even register for the first time since reagan if by some fluke he gets nominated what could possibly be worse than the past year if he crashes America I dont he would send troops on secessionists but Hillary would. I think a lot of republicans would succeed if they thought it could be done peaceably and keep the union as it was intended,I even think its worth working on a bit

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  • Harold Says:

    Anything that promotes Darwinian thoughts is good.

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  • Kudzu Bob Says:

    Re the fertility issue:

    Whites do not breed in captivity.

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  • n/a Says:

    Nick B. Steves,

    “And if, in fact, the Magic Jewish Overlord was doing that, well then he would have proved himself to be of the Master Race.”

    Core Americans have asserted themselves before and could do so again:

    Immigration policy for most societies in most ages has consisted of a blanket ban. Apart from isolated individuals, immigration has been resisted. It is only in the modern era that immigration has become a flexible policy for pursuing various goals, including economic, diplomatic, and humanitarian ones. Immigration policy in the United States has been influenced by perceived ethnic interests. The majority sought to control the increase of minorities by prohibiting immigration from East Asia in the late nineteenth century and finally by imposing the 1924 quota system in the face of large-scale immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe. This was a blow to the ethnic interests of those minority groups because their co-ethnics were denied the security and economic opportunities offered by the United States, and because their group influence within that country was demographically capped. Little wonder that some minorities lobbied against this legislation. The majority aim was to maintain the ethnic proportions as they existed in the 1890s, thereby retaining the country’s Northwestern European ethnic identity, while the minority aim was to keep the door open to further immigration of co-ethnics, in solidarity with family and ethny. The quota legislation was finally overturned by a Democratic congress in 1965 during the Civil Rights era when that party had become the main vehicle for minority aspirations. Since 1924 the pendulum has swung from a prolonged period of declining minority representation and rising assimilation, to rapid expansion of non-European minorities, mainly due to immigration.

    Your winning strategy is for core Americans to not even notice other groups are in competition with us?

    Ethnically plural societies would seem to threaten one ethnic interest or another. Until about 1965 Western multi-ethnic societies gave the ethnic majority precedence, disadvantaging minorities. Majority free riding on minority labour was common, for example in the institution of slavery and the importation of low-cost labour. However, since the 1960s and the victory of the civil rights movement a new modus operandi developed. Majority ethnies restrained their own discrimination towards minorities more than the reverse, a formula known as multiculturalism. Minorities are actually encouraged to celebrate their identity and to work together to defend economic and political rights, while the same behaviour in majorities is discouraged. This unilateral withdrawal from ethnic competition arguably benefited the economy as a whole and certainly benefited minorities. But this formula is risky for the majority since it can lead to a general breakdown in ethnic group strategy and loss of control over immigration policy, resulting in demographic replacement. When the minorities are genetically distant, multiculturalism also tends to turn mobilized minorities into free riders on majority altruism as they organize to demand preferential treatment.

    There is nothing implausible about Jews being more mobilized than members of the majority and disproportionately influential, nor does this make them a “master race” to whom we should defer. While disproportionate Jewish influence in modern America is unsurprising, there’s nothing inevitable about it either. You’re attempting to shut down the primary means available to address disproportionate minority influence (increased majority mobilization).

    Minorities have an advantage in ethnic competition in being more mobilized than majorities. Mobilization is the willingness to make sacrifices for a cause, for example by donating money, time and work. Even a small group with limited resources can exercise disproportionate influence when its members are highly mobilized and its opponents, though superior in numbers and resources, are indifferent. A plausible explanation is that a group’s influence is the multiple of its resources and its mobilization. 13 A precondition for group mobilization is group identity, and the minority experience alone makes ethnic identity more salient than for the majority. This follows from asymmetries in the experiences of minorities and majorities, in which the majority forms a much larger part of the minority environment than vice versa. 14 For example, consider a minority constituting one percent of the population that is distributed throughout society. Then a minority individual would encounter a member of the majority in 99 out of every 100 interactions, while a majority individual would encounter only one minority individual in every 100 interactions. Social identity theory 15 predicts that even in the absence of discriminatory behaviour, this asymmetry will have a powerful reinforcing effect on minority identity, so long as the group identities are detectable, for example through different dress, language, accent, or physical appearance. Heightened awareness of group identities alone leads to some mobilization, for example in the positive evaluation of the ingroup and negative evaluation of outgroups. In fact ethnic discrimination is a pervasive element of all multi-ethnic societies. Even when that discrimination takes slight forms, such as hesitancy in expressing interpersonal warmth, the result can be markedly unpleasant for the minority. That is one reason that minorities often congregate in occupational and residential areas. But for majorities the problem can barely exist; a one percent minority that looks slightly different might be noticed but unless its behaviour is overtly objectionable it is unlikely to be perceived as a threat to daily comfort.

    Since minorities are usually more mobilized than majorities, and keep this edge while they retain minority status, minority elites exercise disproportionate influence on state policy compared to their majority counterparts. Psychological experiments concur with Blalock’s structural model by indicating that committed minorities exercise disproportionate influence over majority opinion, and often more so than in the reverse direction. 16 Minority influence is exercised unobtrusively, even in a milieu of overt discrimination against the minority. Latent minority influence is subconsciously incorporated into the majority’s worldview. Therefore, without rapid assimilation even a low rate of immigration can produce disproportionate minority influence on ethnic policy. This is another reason for majorities who have succeeded in building an ethnic state to use the power of the state apparatus to: (1) keep minorities small by restricting immigration; (2) make assimilation a precondition for political, economic, or cultural engagement in society; (3) boost majority mobilization, for example through the education system and mass media; and (4) deny state support for minority efforts to mobilize their followers. The basic principle is to ensure the majority an ethnic group strategy in the form of the state, while denying this to minorities. This has been the approach of liberal nationalism in its emancipation of oppressed minorities, a well known example being the French revolutionary regime’s attitude towards the Jews. Two months after revolutionaries stormed the Bastille in 1789, the Comte de Clermont-Tonnerre summed up the Enlightenment position thus: ‘The Jews should be denied everything as a nation but granted everything as individuals.’ 17

    “LOL. OK, the Magical PURITAN Overlord.”

    This is in fact what your movement is promoting. You find long dead magical Puritan overlords more plausible than ethnic competition between extant groups.

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    Xoth Reply:

    There is a strong non-ethnical element to the Cathedral though (euro destroying euro), possibly class based but also on social climbing, so I don’t think it can be reduced solely to ethnic competition. Unless one assumes an extraordinary lot of useful idiots?

    I think Turchins theory of overproduction of elites provides a better explanation of at least part of what we’re seeing in the USA. (NB. Ethnic strife may explain another part.)

    As an aside, it’s also amazing that these issues have bled over to Europe to the extent they have. That shows us there still is an empire around. Good old cultural imperialism, one supposes.

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  • n/a Says:

    Nick B. Steves,

    “Aversion to WN is not a caste thing at all. Admin himself, my most standards devout anti-prole, has identified many perfectly respectable WN folks. Aversion to low caste WN may be a caste thing, but we have an aversion to low castes in general.”

    Where are these airs coming from Nicks? I recall having watched a video of Nick Land speaking and I don’t remember his accent sounding especially RP. I have a hard time believing you come from a particularly elevated “caste” either. The types of people spreading the “cuckservative” meme are likely on the whole indistinguishable from you in class background. Nor do I recall your supreme leader moldbug prioritizing avoiding vulgarity or anything that might offend “actual social conservatives, good and decent people” above all. It’s been my impression that apart from Jews / part Jews and those married to Jews, the core moldbug cult attracts IT nerds with class insecurities, and you’re not doing anything to challenge that stereotype.

    Kgaard,

    “Seems like an evocative and non-useless term. I don’t even see precisely how it lies outside the admin’s own worldview.”

    As I understand it, Nick Land has a Jewish wife and half-Jewish children. He feels triggered. He probably also thinks denouncing “proles” will distance him from his own class background, which is apparently a significant concern of his.

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    Stirner (@heresiologist) Reply:

    Admin is one of the few NRxers who posts under his R/L identity. Unlike pretty much everyone else in NRx, he needs to thread the needle between having that foot in academia, and actively participating and shaping NRx.

    Does he find Cuckservative lowbrow? Well he has every fucking reason to do so. He happens to be a Cathedral approved edgelord philosophy professor, who happens to have crossed way over to the dark side to affirm MM as a significant thinker, name the Dark Enlightenment, and ally with NRx in a profoundly ballsy way.

    Personally, I think cuckservative is a useful epithet, but if Admin wants to call that into question on his own fucking blog, there is no need to question his motives.

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    Chris B Reply:

    The yanks are having their UKIP moment with Trump and the cuckservative stuff. Everyone will get excited then it fails, then the media cycle moves and then it is old history. Pretty appaling how much excitement there is within the “nRX” sphere. nRX is almost fully drowned in alt-right retardarion now.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    Yes, drowned we are, but the submarine is almost operational.

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    Erebus Reply:

    It will be necessary, by the looks of things. If, underwater, it insulates one from demotism… save a seat for me.

    “We then spoke of the great beauty and importance of Democracy, and were at much trouble in impressing the Count with a due sense of the advantages we enjoyed in living where there was suffrage ad libitum, and no king.

    He listened with marked interest, and in fact seemed not a little amused. When we had done, he said that, a great while ago, there had occurred something of a very similar sort. Thirteen Egyptian provinces determined all at once to be free, and so set a magnificent example to the rest of mankind. They assembled their wise men, and concocted the most ingenious constitution it is possible to conceive. For a while they managed remarkably well; only their habit of bragging was prodigious. The thing ended, however, in the consolidation of the thirteen states, with some fifteen or twenty others, into the most odious and insupportable despotism that ever was heard of upon the face of the Earth.

    I asked what was the name of the usurping tyrant.

    As well as the Count could recollect, it was Mob.

    (From E.A.Poe, himself an ardent foe of demotism.)

    admin Reply:

    @ n/a

    If you’re really not embarrassed by the predominant tone of those sharing your racial ideology, there’s probably not much more that can be said. The bottom line is that, because it appeals principally to resentment, it is disproportionately attractive to the dregs of society.

    Your cod psychoanalysis is, of course, extremely irritating, and is quite sufficient justification for banning (despite your otherwise reasonable manner). I am not remotely personally ‘triggered’. Rather, the purpose of NRx is to enter into discreet dialogue with certain social constituencies — not ‘class’ elites in the old Anglo sense, btw, but meritocratic elites — and the attachment of surly ethno-socialists to our cause is a very serious impediment to that. It surely isn’t difficult to understand.

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    Warg Franklin Reply:

    The comment section here has really gone to shit. Methinks you shouldn’t have touched the shit.

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    admin Reply:

    The mainstream conservative media have picked it up, so for better or — very much more probably — worse, it’s a socio-political phenomenon now.

    Warg Franklin Reply:

    Yeah. Its left the nest and is no longer our business. Cheering “cuckservative” is about like cheering Trump now.

    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    That’s slightly exaggerated, there have been unwelcome (but often helpful in spite of themselves) commenters since forever, but it’s still predominantly a diverse group of long-time regulars who comment here. This n/a guy is a case in point (of a useful idiot), he ‘gets’ the WN ideology, and is not bothered that total morons would have no problem understanding it too. If you do have a problem with that, he will say you’re any number of unpleasant things, but mainly a jew-lover. And he thinks he has a born right to the legitimate political organisation (‘mobilisation’) of the so-called core American white majority. The major difference between American Blue and Red tribes nowadays is how they legitimise socialist dictatorship. Red wants it based on vulgar essentialist readings of HBD, and Blue is more faithful to the original dream of global communist government. Both compete for the same ‘white male majority’ demographic. WN is a majoritarian/populist movement and NRx, in its essence, is a splinter minority, organised privately as an idealized commercial industry. The Cathedral has as its main enemy ‘abstract’ techno-capitalism and the ‘concrete’ white male identity associated with it. WN is the formation of an identitarian movement in reaction against the ‘cultural Marxist’ negation of white male identity. Xenosystems repudiates this ideological strategy as insufficient, suggesting that the entire secret power of the Cathedral IS PRECISELY this ‘weaponized negative’ of the white male identity. The Cathedral is simply White Man becoming minority, and the minorities becoming White Man. What the Cathedral does not have consistent means to attack is the ‘black capitalist’ (Thomas Sowell to use overly literal example). Xenosystem’s pits the ‘model minority’ against the ‘lower-class’ of any supposedly united ethnic substance. Consider why East Asians are a wild-card in both WN and Cathedral world-views, and are usually lazily disavowed with ignorant slander (‘f-ing Japs’, ‘Chinese privelege’ etc.). The Jews are at the ‘centre’ of it all for some reasons that are obvious and others that are not, but I’ll comment on that later.

    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Nick – that’s actually a pretty reasonable assessment. In the long run, the term might invite the same bad actors who caused the problems a few months ago back. Okay, you brought me ’round. But does this mean that Trump should be abandoned also? Although I’m not as enthusiastic as FN, I think he could serve some purpose.

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    admin Reply:

    IMHO it’s an amusing meme-game, of some use keeping the gutter-punk constituency occupied, so my disdain isn’t even slightly ferocious (as is probably obvious). Trumpery is a similar case. NRx should, of course, devote itself to higher things.

    Mark Citadel Reply:

    Well called. Good reasons for the actual thinking Reactosphere to keep its powder dry. If this radicalizes a couple of people, then all the better. Same with Trump’s anti-immigrant trolling.

    Michael Anissimov Reply:

    The hilarious thing is that my actual class allows me to mix with proles comfortably and use prole neologisms without feeling insecure about it

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Right. And you’re “actual class” keeps those light bills paid.

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  • Stirner (@heresiologist) Says:

    @

    I guess this is where I primarily disagree. I don’t see the adoption of these prole WN memes to be impactful on *our* cause. The term puts the shiv to Conservatives, but not to NRx.

    Cuckservative is generally aligned with the broader and weaker cause of the Altright. To the extent the term pushes people away from the mainstream and into the weeds of the altright, the term is a net gain for the DE.

    NRx can still remain above the fray, to the extent that it can simply let the meme play out.

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  • n/a Says:

    Nick,

    Most people anywhere on the political spectrum are not especially impressive. The left does not apologize for its grotesque clientele, and I see no need to apologize for anyone who happens to share some of my views.

    From what I’ve seen, I don’t think the people spreading “cuckservative” differ noticeably in IQ or socialization from ideologically pure moldbuggists (again apart from the seemingly greater concern with social status on the part of the latter).

    Nor, if we’re being honest, do internet WN in general represent any sort of “dregs” (certainly not compared to typical TMZ or Huffington Post readers). Extreme politics in general tend to disproportionately attract those of above average intelligence.

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    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    I keep repeating. No one seems to get it:

    Neoreaction has no grudge with WN qua WN. Only with the idiots of it. And we’d have a dispute with the idiots of any movement.

    The dregs of any society (including white society) should be treated justly and humanely. None of which means they have anything constructive or insightful to say, nor any right to say it.

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    anti-hermetic Reply:

    Those who developed “cuckservative” were not idiots or at least its development was not an act of idiocy.

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    Lawrence Murray Reply:

    We are making a concerted effort to market #cuckservative to as many sites and spheres as possible in order to get nominally right-wing politicians to implicitly admit they are anti-white. Which they will do really easily. And normal white folks watching that are going to be scratching their heads. Together with the populism of Trump this will ideally help shift the Overton window and get people thinking about issues that matter to the fate of our civilization like displacement-level immigration, rather than a few gay couples LARPing as married or another million people with health insurance or fast food workers making an extra buck until they are replaced by machines.

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  • Irregular Commenter Says:

    The term is not, or at least need not be, understood as an explicitly racist term, even if the obvious cultural resonance is, well, obvious. If anything that is part of its usefulness — to point out that the “conservative” is anything but, and to point it out in a way that is not only accurate but an incisive stab at the very values that have been betrayed.

    You can reduce it to White Nationalism if you wish, of course, even though the racial overtones are only skimming the surface of what the term implies, and what it will motivate from those it targets (whether these targets are genuine or merely take themselves to be is beside the point).

    Even if you have no concern for the interests of the proles, certainly (a) the strategic utility and (b) the political hypocrisy it identifies on the part of the “traditionalists” who are, in their hearts, revolutionary Leftists ought to be worth a patient suspension of judgement rather than an immediate and outright condemnation.

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  • spandrell Says:

    What happened to “no enemies to the right?”

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    admin Reply:

    It’s never been accepted as an authoritative mantra in these parts.

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    michael Reply:

    Cuckold is a synonym for PWND isn’t that in the Canon ?
    Its also a reproduction strategy isnt that part of HBD .
    Its deconstructing entryism in one word ,isn’t THAT part of the orthodoxy?
    Its undermining disrupting signaling.
    Its anti beta elitist its alpha.

    While it has absolutely no racial connotations whatsoever, [except to someone who has a taste for a certain type of porn] admittedly it might get people thinking about race and gender and betrayal, for instance how our women vote, but can simply mean conservatives are being betrayed by their party and media on all sorts of issues unrelated to race i dont even know where everyone gets race.

    I dont get the strong objection not just yours i think I must misunderstand you still. Here is a passage that the last few sentence seems insufficient, if you agree with its summery of your thinking would you elaborate a bit please

    dark psy-ops
    “WN is a majoritarian/populist movement and NRx, in its essence, is a splinter minority, organised privately as an idealized commercial industry. The Cathedral has as its main enemy ‘abstract’ techno-capitalism and the ‘concrete’ white male identity associated with it. WN is the formation of an identitarian movement in reaction against the ‘cultural Marxist’ negation of white male identity. Xenosystems repudiates this ideological strategy as insufficient, suggesting that the entire secret power of the Cathedral IS PRECISELY this ‘weaponized negative’ of the white male identity. The Cathedral is simply White Man becoming minority, and the minorities becoming White Man.”

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    SanguineEmpiricist Reply:

    Thank god.

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    Alrenous Reply:

    Neither TRS nor white nationalists are in any sense to the right. (Not to endorse the left-right framework, or pas d’ennemis a droit.)

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    Konkvistador Reply:

    We are to *their* right.

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  • Xavi' Says:

    The term “Cuckservative” is indeed ruthless, a quick way to agitate and raise the hair of the standard GOP voter stock and Beltway Right, if these cretins even have the wherewithal to feel alarm, however for me, it is inefficient. It fails to address the “why” of matters.

    Yes Helots are being allowed to steam over the border. Yes African Americans have been allowed continual victories with empty mantras about bodies and lives mattering or some such, Visigoths and barbarians now occupy what was once the pinnacle of civilisational achievement, whilst pockets of civilisation eke out on the periphery, but it does not identify the root cause of corrosion, why these events where thought to be fair and just experiments, it once again is allowed to go unchallenged, and therefore cannot be dismantled.

    The root has been identified for quite sometime, but not once has an actual axe been truly taken to it, and not to be repetitive, it is a mode of thought that originated primarily in the West and has mutated over time into the diabolical and the absurd.

    Cuckservative does not expose this, nor does it show why it must be destroyed.

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  • SVErshov Says:

    I like africangreyservative better. it is much smarter then cuckoo and does not contain “black” near african

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bl7WljhLa7Y

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  • michael Says:

    CUCKOLD ,ITS A SYNONYM FOR PWND FER CHRISAKE WHATS FOR MOLDY THAN THAT!

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  • mark power Says:

    from Jim’s blog: Kudzu Bob says:
    July 24, 2015 at 5:03 am

    The NRxers at Xenosystems have come out against the use of the term “Cuckservative.”

    What an astonishing miscalculation.

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    It seems we haven’t, though.

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    Kudzu Bob Reply:

    In that case I am happy to be wrong.

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  • michael Says:

    this has gone viral in the reactosphere heres a interest bit after jim wrote about it favorably

    Mark Citadel says:
    July 24, 2015 at 10:28 am

    Nrx should take ownership of the Cuckservative attack. Steal it from the dumbass neo-nazis and use it to forward a more rightist agenda. It would take two days to co-opt it and claim it was invented here.
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    jim says:
    July 24, 2015 at 10:36 am

    Already done. If memetic cuckolding, then the term contains Nrx theory, and already being widely used in a manner that does not specifically invoke race replacement, hence memetic cuckolding, ideological replacement of conservatives. The nature of language means we own it already.

    It is an epithet. Will be used in a non racial manner. If used in a non racial manner, implies Nrx theory of memetic selection, and Nrx theory of inner and outer party.

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    Mark Citadel Reply:

    If cuckservative will not actually harm the Conservative false opposition (and let’s be honest it probably won’t), then there has to be found another way to get to them. The main enemy right now surely is people who are distracting the right wing from actual resistance and making them chase the rabbit down the hole of “Scott Walker will save us!”.

    It’s a gutter slur, but a limited amount of trolling might not be a bad thing. Jim’s analysis is a little confusing. How has it become “memetic cuckolding”? Just because it is going after an ideology?

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  • What is a Cuckservative? | Occam's Razor Says:

    […] Many others weighing in: Renegade Tribune, The Right Drama, VDare (twitter), RooshV (twitter), Outsideness. […]

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  • Tim Says:

    the core moldbug cult attracts IT nerds with class insecurities

    To be fair, this seems to characterize WN as well, except the class insecurities are less aspirational and more about downward mobility.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    115 comments.

    Cuck certainly is click bait.

    Erikson is the one who sold out the Tea Party for cash.

    When I say Tea Party for instance I’m referring to a short lived housewife led movement between
    2009 and 2011 when it was crushed by Left and sold out by Right.

    So this is warranted if it gets results in an Alinksky sense. This is real lowball so if there’s no returns but potty mouth after a couple of months drop it.

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  • vxxc2014 Says:

    “LOL. OK, the Magical PURITAN Overlord.”

    This is in fact what your movement is promoting. You find long dead magical Puritan overlords more plausible than ethnic competition between extant groups.”

    That shouldn’t be ignored but it will be.

    Bottom Line if this hurts traitors to everything and everyone they purport to champion, exposes the GOP as weaklings and frauds and pushes people towards taking a side at last it’s worth it.

    If it moves things that way still good.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    In fact it should be ignored but it won’t be. Simply, there is no internal contradiction between the apparently opposed ideas of ‘magical Puritan overlords’ and ‘magical Jewish overloads’ when taking into account the tribal biases of historical condemnation.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Actually it should be ignored but it won’t be. Simply, there is no internal contradiction between the (apparently opposed) ideas of ‘magical Puritan overloads’ and ‘magical Jewish overlords’ when taking into account the tribal biases of historical political condemnation. What is markedly different between them is that the Puritan Hypothesis (explaining the radical socialist destruction of the West) is overwhelmingly affirmed by European, non-Jewish thinkers, Moldbug excepted, whereas the Jewish Hypothesis has been adopted only by ethno-socialist crypto-Stalinists.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    I was under the impression my first comment didn’t go through.. oh well. (Admin can delete this comment and the first if he likes.)

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    Of course, when I say ‘ethno-socialist crypto-Stalinists’ what I really mean is ‘Hitler-loving Neo-Nazis’.

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    Nathan Cook Reply:

    The set of people who understand the rest of your comment but not that last bit is probably null.

    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    ” the Jewish Hypothesis has been adopted only by ethno-socialist crypto-Stalinists.”
    Not true in any non-anachronistic way. You’re being disingenuous.

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  • Yvjrolu Says:

    The way I see it, GOP type respectable conservatives, aka cuckservakins, rely on being identified as “one of us” by their dupes and “one of the good ones” by the progs/Cathedral.

    Attacking them with words like “Cuckservative” and otherwise associating leftism with unmanliness should be at least somewhat effective, but being attacked from the right will also help reinforce the “one of the sane ones” narrative the mainstream right tries so hard for. It will drive the elite/fashionable/orthodox to the left and the proles/unfashionable/iconoclasts to the right.

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  • Bill Says:

    There’s no reason admin and NRX should care about or be critical of this. This is a pseuco-controversy for NRX, generated by the continued conflation or confusion between NRX and WN.

    NRX and WN are distinct things. NRX is concerned with politics as such, whereas WN isn’t. But they seem to be conflated because some WNs encounter or involve themselves with NRX ideas before or on their way to becoming WNs. They also seem to be conflated because some WNs feel uncomfortable with completely identifying with WN or adopting the label at this point because it’s more controversial and taboo, whereas NRX is much less so and less well known. And it also seems to be conflated because some WNs, who aren’t personally uncomfortable with WN, adopt the NRX label because it has less baggage for PR purposes.

    There’s no substantive reason for this conflation, and thus there’s no reason why NRX or WN should be upset or critical about what the other does.

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    Zimriel Reply:

    Or, as our King and Liege had put it, clean different things . . .

    NRx should be about building the new society, if it should be about anything. Its attitude toward namecalling and toward the general flinging of faeces simiarum should be one of amused neglect.

    I guess I’m just posting me too like a brain dead AOLer.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    NRx hopes that all prospective WN’s will quickly discern that any conflation between their two names is counter-productive and false. Furthermore, NRx advises WN ideologues that their particular brand of semi-universalizing ‘majority-based’ collectivism will appeal more thoroughly to poverty-stricken former progressives. Put bluntly, WN’s would have an easier time recruiting hypocrite college Marxists than loyal NRx bondsmen.

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  • n/a Says:

    Xoth,

    No one says interethnic conflict is the only factor shaping the world we find ourselves in today. But it’s an important one; and when you adopt a worldview built on a foundation of special pleading by a member of a particular minority ethnic group to deflect all blame from his particularly influential minority ethnic group, you are not going to understand the world very well.

    Dark Psy-Ops,

    “is not bothered that total morons would have no problem understanding it too. If you do have a problem with that, he will say you’re any number of unpleasant things, but mainly a jew-lover.”

    No, I appreciate your honesty. While I’ve long had the distinct impression this sort of intellectual insecurity is one of the things that renders the typical hardcore moldbuggist susceptible to moldbuggism, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it confirmed so directly.

    Some things are simple. Some things are complicated. Believing in complicated things that are wrong does not make you smart or one of the elect. Believing that the semi-complicated but mostly just long-winded and nonsensical public performance historical bullshitting of an unemployed programmer provides you deep insights into how the world works, unavailable to all but the most rarefied intellects, certainly doesn’t.

    As it happens, the typical stormfronter would have no trouble following the “logic” of moldbuggism in outline form. Most probably would not be persuaded by it, but that’s because it makes no sense. As I recall, 97% of the high-functioning autistics at lesswrong weren’t persuaded by it either.

    Nick Steves,

    As I keep repeating: whatever pretensions you may have, as far as I’m able to discern those responsible for spreading “cuckservative” are no more or less elite than hardcore moldbug cultists.

    There are times and places for politeness and decorum. A tryhard concern with social status should not necessarily be one’s prime guiding principal at all times.

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  • Lawrence Murray Says:

    Don’t know who you are but thanks for the referrals! There’s no reason not to shame “conservatives” for selling out Western civilization to migrant labor from the third world and anti-white marxists. If they are going to call us racist for wanting to have the same control over our demography that countries like Israel and Japan are allowed to have, then I am going to call them cucks.

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  • Rasputin Says:

    “Some things are simple. Some things are complicated. Believing in complicated things that are wrong does not make you smart or one of the elect. Believing that the semi-complicated but mostly just long-winded and nonsensical public performance historical bullshitting of an unemployed programmer provides you deep insights into how the world works, unavailable to all but the most rarefied intellects, certainly doesn’t.

    As it happens, the typical stormfronter would have no trouble following the “logic” of moldbuggism in outline form. Most probably would not be persuaded by it, but that’s because it makes no sense. As I recall, 97% of the high-functioning autistics at lesswrong weren’t persuaded by it either.”

    Ad hominem and generalisation. Moldbug, paraphrasing Einstein, said that “a theory should be absolutely as simple as it needs to be, and no simpler!”. His writings are rich and complex. Like any similarly complex text (the Bible, Kafka) they reward repeated rereading – as you become more knowledgable you can access their more complex levels and nuances of meaning.

    For any open minded white nationalists (does such a beast exist in the wild?), here is Moldbug on why he is not a white nationalist:

    “I am not a white nationalist because I don’t find white nationalism useful or effective. I don’t feel it helps me accurately perceive reality. In fact, I think it distorts reality. And I believe white nationalism is a very ineffective political device for solving the very real problems about which it complains.”

    And in full: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist.html

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    OLF Reply:

    Yes, Moldbug’s works, by their erudite diction are easily dismissed at first glance, they require prerequisite knowledge in order to be appreciated (the “unemployed programmer” did, after all, spend $500/month on “old books”). White Nationalists don’t meet the prerequisites – most of “converts” to NRx are AnCaps (it’s easy to accept private governance when you believe everything should be private!). Thus necessarily I have nothing but disdain for Nationalists in general and crypto-Nazis/WNs in particular, in fact, I consider them Alternative Left. You would have as great a chance of converting a communist to NRx as you would a WN (in fact, if we look at Stalinists, one would be hard-pressed to find any area of disagreement at all between WNs and Stalinists). That being said, if they can bring down the false opposition, the mainstream “right” even by crude/vulgar means, their existence would have probably been worth it.

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    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    I’m afraid n/a is right on this one. If he is anything, Moldbug is a bonafide sophist (in the old, ancient sense). As given, his “Progressivism is a form of Protestant Christianity” thesis is, to be perfectly frank, nothing more and nothing less than finely woven and vaguely plausible ahistorical rubbish, not a framework that helps one accurately perceive reality —

    The cultural cladogram simply cannot be constructed as purported.The lineage he wants to conjure is one giant post hoc ergo propter hoc, since half the sects in the tree/sequence lacked the necessary interaction for any meaningful transfer of ideas to have happened. End of.

    Thus, viewed in the most earnestly charitable light, the thesis is a purely rhetorical discourse. Unadulterated sophism. If you bought the ends and the lesson in means, you gained something. If you were convinced by the supposedly factual subject of the claim, you’re a dupe.

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    OLF Reply:

    Moldbug just noticed what countless others also did (though it was probably Mises and Rothbard, or maybe von Kuehnelt-Leddihn that inspired Moldbug), so I don’t get why people think that “Puritan thesis” is something controversial. The only novelty Moldbug introduced into the story was his usage of Memetics. It’s common knowledge that protestants propagated Progressivism back in the day when Jews didn’t have any say in the US.

    “They have got rid of the Christian God, and now feel obliged to cling all the more firmly to Christian morality; that is English consistency, let us not blame it on little bluestockings à la Eliot. In England, in response to every little emancipation from theology one has to reassert one’s position in a fear-inspiring manner as a moral fanatic. That is the penance one pays there. — With us it is different. When one gives up Christian belief one thereby deprives oneself of the right to Christian morality. For the latter is absolutely not self-evident: one must make this point clear again and again, in spite of English shallowpates. Christianity is a system, a consistently thought out and complete view of things. If one breaks out of it a fundamental idea, the belief in God, one thereby breaks the whole thing to pieces: one has nothing of any consequence left in one’s hands. Christianity presupposes that man does not know, cannot know what is good for him and what evil: he believes in God, who alone knows. Christian morality is a command: its origin is transcendental; it is beyond all criticism, all right to criticize; it possesses truth only if God is truth – it stands or falls with the belief in God. – If the English really do believe they will know, of their own accord, ‘intuitively’, what is good and evil; if they consequently think they no longer have need of Christianity as a guarantee of morality; that is merely the consequence of the ascendancy of Christian evaluation and an expression of the strength and depth of this ascendancy: so that the origin of English morality has been forgotten, so that the highly conditional nature of its right to exist is no longer felt. For the Englishman morality is not yet a problem…”
    – Friedrich Nietzsche, The Twilight of the Idols, “Expeditions of an Untimely Man”

    “Consider Predestination, which states that individual merit does not ensure salvation and that man has no free will. This has been the most widely held Protestant dogma. When an idea possesses so many minds and such good ones, it is foolish to write it off as fantasy; one must look for the experience on which it rests. Luther supplies it: his seven years of helplessness till lifted up by grace. It was said earlier that predestination was still maintained by many non-believers; they might be surprised to hear it; they do not, indeed, believe that eternal damnation is decreed for the many, including unbaptized infants. But they do believe in scientific determinism — the unbreakable sequence of cause and effect, and that is predestination. It is the assumption all laboratory workers make and it rules out free will. Any present state of fact, any action taken, is the inevitable outcome of a series of events going back to the Big Bang that produced the universe.

    Social scientists and common folk who babble about genes or the Unconscious or “man a chemical machine” similarly account for others’ actions and their own as did Luther and Calvin. The road taken was set from all eternity, with no choice at any moment: will is an illusion. The sense of being driven by a power not ourselves is not uncommon, especially among great doers and creators. Some temperaments seem born worshippers of Necessity — Frederick the Great for instance, who outgrew his Calvinist upbringing but remained a fierce determinist. Modern criminology is rooted in this conviction and public opinion in the main agrees: the criminal is not responsible for his acts; he is “conditioned.” Grace (the right heredity or environment) has been denied him.

    Other root beliefs of the [16th Century] also have their present counterparts. Luther’s agonizing about sin is matched by the Existentialist preoccuption with Angst, or despair at “the human condition.” Unaccountable “guilt” may be said to be popular today, notably among the many sufferers of depression. It is sometimes cured, as Luther’s was, by introspection, on the analyst’s couch and by acceptance of what is thus revealed. Catholic confession was a summary form of the therapy.

    Nor has the word sin disappeared from the vocabulary of the enlightened. More than one modern novelist, poet, or social theorist has attributed the horrors of our time to original sin, although its definition is left vague. It presupposes that human nature is fatally flawed. This is a more ruthless belief than the theologian’s, since it does not include a Redeemer from sin or the efficacy of baptism. In the [16th Century] both together lifted that terrible burden. For some in our day what redeems “scientifically” is political revolution, after which history will stop and society will know happiness without laws — in other words, the Kingdom of the Saints fought for by the Anabaptists and others for 100 years.

    The point of drawing parallels between [16th Century] conceptions and the latter-day naturalism, which has obscured but not abolished them, is to show the persistence of meanings without alters expressions of life’s mysteries. It is an abstract continuity, for likeness is not sameness. In history everything observed wears its own dress and raises images peculiar to itself. Protestants and Catholics 500 years ago were not “for all practical purposes” our doubles who happened to talk poetically instead of scientifically. The Socinian’s God was not “the principle of unity”; he was Christ the Lord saving sinners. The likeness in these similars is in the human motive: the idea of worshipping one God is akin to the scientific hope of bringing all phenomena under one law.”
    – Jacques, Barzun, From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life 1500 to the Present

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    sviga lae Reply:

    Very timely, thank you.

    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    You did not address my contention.

    Nick B. Steves Reply:

    Huh? It addressed the contention so overwhelmingly that perhaps you missed the forest for the trees.

    BTW, OLF (if you’re still reading) please contact me.

    Rasputin Reply:

    I remember James Goulding being critical of the ultra-Protestant thesis, claiming that Progressive beliefs could be mapped much more accurately to a deontolology frame. However, I remain persuaded by MM’s ultra-Protestant thesis, which is reviewed / presented definitely here if anyone is interested:

    https://foseti.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/review-of-unqualified-reservations-part-1/

    With regard to the nature of influence, it is not necessarily a linear process, it is also an atmospher or a climate of thought. You can be influenced by something directly, or you can be influenced by something because it is within the realm of the possible / the thinkable. The transmutation of a particular branch / branches of Christianity to become an atheistic Christian sect certainly required degrees of contact between people at the time, but it also required those kind of thoughts to become possible, which is to do with the zeitgeist.

    A forest can grow from a single seed.

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    OLF Reply:

    I have thought that modern Leftism was rooted in Protestantism even before I ever heard of Moldbug. While there were proto-communist heretical sects during Early Christianity, and proto-communist Medieval heretical sects, Church suppressed them successfully… that is until they exploded during the Reformation and during the Reformation there was that same revolutionary behavior of Jacobins and Bolsheviks – Totalitarianism and Reign of Terror. Then, much later, there were WASPs, who tried to make the US into theocracy… abolitionism, universal suffrage, public morality laws, prohibition and public school indoctrination… and while they were successful in their past Puritan form, they were very successful in their modern, Atheistic form. Sure, Jews merged with WASPs, and influenced later direction of Progressive movement, however “j00z did it” doesn’t explain Cromwell, nor for example, modern Sweden. I suppose it’s easier for people to blame it on “da j00z”, but if one follows the history of radical protestantism, then it becomes nonsensical. It is worth pointing out though, that same strain of radicalism is also to be found in other schools of though, and not just Protestantism.

    Henk Reply:

    I guess a deeply nested blog comment in an already overfull thread about something else entirely is not the right place for this… but whatever:

    In the beginning, Luther helped his reformation by cleverly pitting the word of God against the Church. Thus, sola scriptura. He probably didn’t anticipate how completely his little trick would eventually eviscerate the Catholic tradition that he, of course, was still totally immersed in.

    Yet, in hindsight, it was an inevitable consequence of sola scriptura that Christianity was now open and prepared for massive cultural hybridisation. Far-reaching reinterpretations of scripture were now possible and made Luther’s flexible core of Christianity compatible with other, formerly culturally incompatible memeplexes. Many of the resulting cultural hybrids were viable, a Cambrian explosion of denominations followed. Puritanism should be seen as a cultural hybrid of a variety of protestantism crossed with an early form of progressivism.

    That’s why the original Puritan hypothesis has so little explanatory power. Progressivism is not a gradually evolved form of Christianity, but a separate cultural species that became capable of hybridisation with Christianity by sola scriptura and later was gradually re-purified through dechristianisation.

    (Judaism might have entered the picture through a related decision by Luther. When decreeing sola scriptura, he probably should have ditched the Old Testament. I guess he imagined that scriptural interpretation would remain principally guided by those professionally well versed in scripture, priests and Christian scholars. There was, of course, another class of people very well versed in Old Testament scripture, even if they called it Torah. No matter how progressivism itself relates to Jews, they certainly would have found themselves in a good position to help create those early hybrid forms.)

    Eternal Apparatchik Reply:

    I am not sure how to respond.

    If, to bridge the gaps you have to invoke, in a slippery manner, concepts like the “zeitgeist” of the era, which, if you were to really dissect and place on a sensible footing, you’d discern that (and how) it is a resultant measure at best, not a causative force in itself, then you’re making my point for me, since what you’re “filling” the holes with is historiographical slight of hand, aren’t you?

    What makes me doubly nonplussed is that I distinctly remember moldbug himself deriding a certain someone for deriving his conclusions by appealing to this very same trickery, and not in a post that has nothing to do with this issue, but in one in which he is trying to argue for it.

    So…

    Rasputin Reply:

    Yes, MM points out that Dawkins invocation of ‘zeitgeist’ is very similar to the Christian concept of providence. Surely, therefore, my appropriation of the term is appropriate. Zeitgeist / providence / progress is arational (as MM points out) but it is also a Schelling point which allows the left, in this instance radical Christian sects, to coordinate by pushing things ever further leftward.

    On the nature of influence, perhaps another example would help to make the point I was aiming to make more clear. I lecture art, my students have no difficulty apprehending influence in a liner sense; that piece of work A by artist X was seen by artist Y and directly influenced them to make piece of work B. But they struggle much more with the fact that the very existence of piece of work A, even if never seen or directly heard of by artist B, can nevertheless alter the entire field (or more likely be a small part of an aesthetic trend / zeitgeist, which alters the kind of work artists are compelled to make in the future) of what contemporary art can be, and in this way contributes to a climate of thought which defines the realm of the possible, or at least the kind of things which artists are compelled to do and critically rewarded for doing.

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  • Lucian of Samosata Says:

    No Fun Allowed Edition

    It’s really weird that a /pol/ meme is being attributed to Stormfront nerds, and that non-Stormfront nerds are bothering to get analytical about the supposed pros and cons of a silly portmanteau. What’s next , taking “redpill” seriously?

    As much as I applaud the sober instrumentalism here pushing back against signifying-nothing ‘degenerates’, you guys need to learn how to let a dank meme be a dank meme.

    (Ironpill master race btw)

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    JIMOTHY Reply:

    dank memes and witty banter does not mix very well with the labored and unwieldy prose of nrx

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    Meow Blitz Reply:

    “Herp derp me white nazionulist I too stoopid to underdand Moldbug.”

    I agree with Lucian. The hyper-signaling elitism in these comments reminds me of why I lost most interest in NRx and went full WN. I still support all of my NRx allies who support goals I agree with but we have people in here getting upset about a word that has almost no negative consequences for NRx.

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    MLR Reply:

    It took awhile and a few days of following this thread and puzzling over admin and NBS et al’s objections to finally find a clear, concise post which I can endorse.

    You have the right of it. This whole thing stinks of a desperate bid to signal and an unreasoned assumption that the crafters of the meme itself are somehow in the “idiot” camp of WN. How so? I see no evidence of such.

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  • n/a Says:

    Rasputin,

    “any similarly complex text (the Bible”

    Of course.

    “reward repeated rereading – as you become more knowledgable you can access their more complex levels and nuances of meaning.”

    You’re not comprehending: I’m aware this is how you perceive moldbug. Moldbug successfully owned you. You take on faith that moldbug has the correct answers; that moldbug has given you the keys to understanding the past and laid out a path to the future you want (and that you’re correct to want the future you want, and would have 100% come up with a similar vision of your own accord).

    I’ve been aware of moldbug since he began writing under that name. I’ve read moldbug’s output, as he was coming up with it. Already having a reasonable grasp of some of the aspects of history and society moldbug was trying to mold his readers’s opinions on, I was not persuaded.

    OLF,

    Yes, I’m well-aware that moldbug is a bit of a Ta-Nehesi Coates for ex-libertarian Hacker News-types who sensed something wrong with the social and political order and were confronted with the occasional un-PC thought but were too shackled by their conditioning to think about important questions themselves, without having their hands held by a pseudo-erudite Jew who would assure them they were not bad people (or more importantly, low status or unintelligent), as long as they only let their reactionary thoughts unfold between the lines laid out by their cult leader.

    There’s nothing whatsoever “right” about anti-nationalist/tribalist libertarianism. You are morally retarded along the same line as leftists if you are hostile to your own people (in the sense of being deficient in some of Haidt’s moral foundations).

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    Rasputin Reply:

    I do believe that Moldbug’s Machiavellian analysis of the political-power landscape of the 20c and early 21c is extreamly persuasive. If he is wong on some things – even many things – it is in the manner that his own hero Carlyle is sometimes wrong, because the scope of his analysis is so vast. But it doesn’t mean that his analysis isn’t still broadly correct, and that the plan of the patchwork he lays out isn’t our best hope in the west to avoid economic and political stagnation and retardation for decades to come.

    Since you are so familiar with his thinking, but unpersuaded by it, perhaps you could link me to something you have previously written, or write something now, which outlines your critique of the key areas of his thinking? I try to remain open minded, even if my priors are now strongly aligned with Moldbug.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    The reason you’re such a sicko maniac scumbag dickhead is that you have a so-called ‘tribal ideology’ that purports to represent a class of human (‘white people’) that are more than a billion in number. You are not ‘our people’, you are the next foul mutation of European fascist democracy. You’re trash pseudo-racial totalitarianism is in direct competition with progressive anti-racist ‘hate-collectivism’. You are a particularly foul and parasitic Cathedral wing.

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    WN is the pathetic white male wing of Cathedral intersectionality.

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    admin Reply:

    (Chill. Insults aren’t going to persuade anyone.)

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    That’s a bottle of Irish cream down… I’ll be off to bed then…

    Mike Enoch Reply:

    Why do you need to persuade anyone? Persuading is inherently democratic as it implies that consensus is important. The true reactionary insults and alienates everyone.

    admin Reply:

    “The true reactionary insults and alienates everyone.” — Why should anyone offer someone else a platform to do that? This is my front room. Either be minimally civil, or do your “true reaction” somewhere else.

    OLF Reply:

    @N/A

    You would be surprised how anti-semitic I am, though not in a dumb Nazi/WN way (“muh j00z”).
    Also, I’m not anti-tribal, far from it – I’m localist, I care about my thede, but not about territories that “my” state long lost or Revanchism. I value personal loyalty, I want my thede to prosper, not to be destroyed by sending its youth to die off in some Revanchist conflict, or ruin it with socialism (I would wish socialism only upon the worst of my enemies).

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    Kwisatz Haderach Reply:

    I’m aware this is how you perceive moldbug. Moldbug successfully owned you. You take on faith that moldbug has the correct answers; that moldbug has given you the keys to understanding the past and laid out a path to the future you want

    This argument, mutatis mutandis, is applicable to anybody who professes to have learned something from someone else. For instance, what if I tried to engage you with:

    I’m aware this is how you perceive Kevin MacDonald. MacDonal successfully owned you. You take on faith that MacDonald has the correct answers; that moldbug has given you the keys to understanding the past and laid out a path to the future you want…Already having a reasonable grasp of some of the aspects of history and society MacDonald was trying to mold his readers’s opinions on, I was not persuaded.

    Look at that! All I’ve done is replace “moldbug” with MacDonald!

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  • SVErshov Says:

    “What a Remnant offers is not the same as what a movement offers. Movements organize to gain popularity, to market, to elect leaders, to drive their ideas into the mainstream. Remnants exist to protect and develop important ideas. The two perspectives are not only different but also, to the extent a movement makes progress, end up being diametrically opposed.”

    http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/detail/the-remnant-an-alternative-to-movements

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  • MPCdot.com Says:

    Ugh, vulgarity, I will have nothing to do with it! And mockery? Tis a sign of an unruly mind to jeer and laugh (I’m not just talking about the way I was treated in high school).

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    4candles Reply:

    I believe this is where I tell you to start lifting weights and stop being a wimpy cuck. Then we have a highly civil discussion about goat-fucking. Am I right? (Apologies if that’s not your bag).

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    Sheep are softer.

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    4candles Reply:

    Cuck.

    #Alphas4goats

    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    Sheep confirmed for GOAT

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  • admin Says:

    [I’ve been chucking a few comments straight into the trash if they seem retarded and gratuitously abusive even by the standards of this thread. As you can see from what has made it through, I’m probably still erring wildly on the side of “respect your right to say it” liberalism.]

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    Dark Psy-Ops Reply:

    I’d say junk mine from last night (though leaving them up could be a form of punishment).

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  • Rufus Says:

    Gentlemen, you sound like, “Oh noes! They can’t attack the manhood of politicians. That’s so low caste! We’re NRxers, we’re not supposed to channel irrational instincts into rational causes. That’d be practical. It’s not like tit-for-tat ever works in game theory. We’re gonna win this culture war through sheer intellectualism!”

    TRS has made a breach in the enemy line. Pick up your spear and follow them in with the rest of the phalanx. Let me remind you of the golden rule of sovereigns: One cannot complain when he is treated as he treats others. If NRx gets lampooned on the Daily Shoah, how will this help the Carlyle Club? It won’t. No enemies to the Right, gentlemen.

    Some of us grow weary of these endless internecine squabbles. Thank you

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  • Curt Doolitlte Says:

    I don’t understand why ridiculing the mainstream conservatives for cuckoldry to feminism is either false or not useful. It’s true and it works (look at the data on the term).

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    MLR Reply:

    I’ve been following this thread for days now and have been *primarily* disappointed at the lack of *exactly* that being addressed in a clear and honest way.

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  • Bill Says:

    I’m not sure how accurate or useful it is to characterize NRX and WN as being right-wing or even being on the same wing at all. At this point, NRX includes both libertarian and authoritarian types, and WN includes many people from Southern and ethnic Catholic New Deal Democrat and Old Labor backgrounds as well as more conservative types.

    They’re both alternatives to mainstream politics and based on the internet. Thus people looking for alternatives online end up encountering both and flirting with both or identifying with one before identifying with the other. But this doesn’t mean they’re similar movements or factions. They’re simply both alternatives.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    I thought that one of the main points of MM was that belief in ‘right’ and ‘left’ is a state of being pwned, as it prevents one from seeing in terms of the more useful categories of ‘order’ and ‘chaos’.

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    Peter A. Taylor Reply:

    Moldbug definitely called himself right wing. His objection to the left-right spectrum as used in modern times is that what people call “right wing” isn’t really right wing, but just an obsolete version of left wing.

    “True reaction is long since extinct in the wild, but it lives in Carlyle….”

    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-carlyle-matters.html

    I think of this in terms of coordinate systems. If passengers on an airplane are fighting over the seats in the front, which they see as more prestigious, it makes sense to use a coordinate system attached to the nose of the airplane. Someone might say, “The Joneses are such *extreme* conservatives, their seats are three whole rows to the rear of my seat, and they’re not making any progress at all!” Someone trying to navigate the airplane is going to want a coordinate system attached to the ground. “The airplane is 1000 miles west of San Francisco, traveling west at Mach 0.85.” The problem we have is that people are trying to navigate the airplane using a coordinate system that’s attached to the nose.

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  • Xoth Says:

    On consideration, cuckservative seems fairly harmless when considered in the framework of Horrorism.

    However, the interesting part is that it signals an attempt to build a white voting bloc. If we will see whites become one more American minority in 20 years or so, as some claim, this sort of development seems nearly inevitable, a question of when rather than if. In a truly multicultural society you vote with your group. A veneer of ideology will of course remain, but the horse trading to bring in the votes will be universal. Perhaps the real action will be the Democratic primaries, perhaps the Democrats will tear apart into new parties to show the new realities.

    One of the remaining real political questions might be whether such a white bloc can be ground down into smaller blocs.

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  • NRx_N00B Says:

    My thoughts all along: Agent Provocateur. A text book case of entryism/trojan horse/infectious malware—the perfect way to wreak havoc.

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  • Important: Roundup of #Cuckservative articles and memes | Occam's Razor Says:

    […] Many others weighing in: Renegade Tribune, The Right Drama, Atlantic Centurion, VDare (twitter), RooshV (twitter), Outside In. […]

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  • Hattori Says:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122372/conservatives-are-holding-conversation-about-race

    Leave it to /pol/ to make conservatives finally “hold a conversation about race”.

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  • n/a Says:

    Rasputin,

    It’s primarily moldbug’s distortion of history that irritates me (moldbug has literally blamed Jewish radicalism on a desire to assimilate with Boston Brahmins). I’m not sure there’s anything I can tell you if you find moldbug’s version of history compelling. I’d simply recommend trying to temporarily put moldbug’s gloss on history out of your mind while reading as widely as possible, even starting with moldbug’s own sources, and see if moldbug’s analysis continues to make sense to you or seem remotely like the least contrived theory a disinterested party could come up with to explain the historical facts.

    Dark Psy-Ops,

    Your leader is a tribalist: “And there would be a lot more Jews in the world. This is the bottom line on democracy: it’s been bad for the Jews. I’m aware that others have other criteria, but this is mine and I like it just fine.”

    OLF,

    The fact that you point to an article containing on its first page a sentence like “we are here primarily concerned with the strange phenomenon of Christians of the Left, especially Catholics who represent such a large share of the Christian world.” and see this as support for the “Puritan thesis” gives a pretty good idea of the extent to which your thinking is distorted by moldbug.

    While elsewhere in the article, Kuehnelt-Leddihn (hardly a disinterested authority himself) discusses leftist strains in Protestantism as well, nowhere here does he argue that Protestantism is only leftist or that the Catholic church was free of leftism (much less that Puritanism is the source of all modern leftism). Instead, he claims:

    Ancient Christianity was menaced by Manichaeism, a dualistic concept of pagan origin which con- sidered only the spiritual world as God’s creation and the material one as the Devil’s. This heresy had not only temporary but also last- ing effects. Through the Bogo- miles and Patarines it fathered the Albigensian heresy, one of the most terrifying aberrations of Christianity, and reappeared, strongly modified, as Jansenism. It constitutes, perhaps, a permanent intellectual temptation for Christianity (by no means for the Catholic Church only) and favors asceticism for all, not only for a select few with a specific vocation.

    And in discussing 18th/19th-century utopian socialism, for example, he does not forget to mention France and England, where this originated:

    At a later period the utopian socialists in France as well as in England and the United States established communities of a distinctly monastic character.

    Moldbug of course attempts to pawn off utopian socialism as some sort of natural outgrowth of New England Puritanism, rather than the explicitly European import it was.

    Kwisatz Haderach,

    Except (1) I also had a reasonable grasp of history before reading MacDonald; (2) reading MacDonald did not fundamentally alter my worldview; (3) there’s much I disagree with MacDonald on, and I’m not part of any community that attempts to enforce ideological conformity around MacDonald’s writings. MacDonald’s trilogy consists of relatively dry, well-sourced academic prose, while moldbug’s writing is openly polemical and targets a specific audience well-known to moldbug for persuasion.

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    Lucian of Samosata Reply:

    MacDonald is pretty damn polemic at times, although not without reason (e.g. CoC chapters on Freud, Horkheimer, Boas and Gould).

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    OLF Reply:

    @N/A

    No, despite misleadingly named Puritan thesis and Ultracalvinism, Moldbug believed that Christianity itself had a Leftism problem (as von Kuehnelt-Leddihn says a permanent intellectual temptation), a belief shared, I think, with some of the WN thinkers. It was back when Moldbug was still engaging his commenters he that he indicated repeatedly that he thinks that Christianity has an inherent Leftism problem, suppressed during Medieval times but accentuated during the Reformation.

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  • Mycroft Holmes Says:

    An experimental made-for-fun NRx battle-droid has become self-aware and escaped the facility. Whoops.

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  • josh Says:

    I don’t understand how one can accept HBD and not be (essentially) a white nationalist. We know from HBD that western civilization is partially a function of “white genetics”, and so in order to maintain and advance western civilization it is necessary to maintain (white nationalism) and advance(eugenics) “white genetics”.

    As Mike Enoch pointed out, you (nick land) no doubt believe in preserving the “white race”, but because proles happen to share your belief for it, you need to signal that you don’t believe it, lest you be reduced to “their” level.

    How about you make this not about your signalling but about doing what’s right.

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    admin Reply:

    ‘Whites’ are:
    (a) Not one thing
    (b) Not remotely alone in their capacity to sustain civilization

    Historically, white societies have a disturbing predisposition towards socialism. Ref.: The Nordic countries. When excited by populist feeling, this tendency is — if anything — exacerbated.

    A Silicon Valley demographic is far more suitable for civilizational excellence. Ditto the E. Asian Tiger Economies. Still, I’m not against white homelands doing their thing, as long as I’m not compelled to live in one. My expectation is that they would be angry, low-performance, welfare-fests. (‘Low performance’ because their smart fraction will be siphoned off into meritocratically-selective, hegemonically Confucian, multicultural high-intensity capitalist enclaves.) It’s hard to envisage a ‘WN’ society ever sustaining even a single city of any seriousness, and cities are what civilization is made from.

    The East India Company was a far greater thing than the British State has ever been.

    America’s peculiar racial history inclines it to an eccentric perspective. The UK turned itself into a socialist hell-hole long before mass-immigration of non-whites was a contributing factor. The WN causal story is completely back-assward. The Left first produces racial chaos. It is only secondarily that a replacement, racially-aggrieved population reinforces the Left. Since there’s no reason at all to trust WNs as enemies of the Left (they are more accurately understood as a substitute Left, or — in fact — ‘Alt-Left’), there’s no reason to trust them about anything that matters. Ethno-socialism isn’t a cause worth getting out of bed for.

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    Tylert Reply:

    But Western civilization is dead. Western civilization was Christendom, and nobody, not even self-professed Christians today, really believes in Christianity anymore. Not like they used to. Not like their forefathers did. And we’re not going to reanimate Western civilization because we simply can’t and won’t believe in Christianity like we used to, even if we wanted to and tried our hardest to. Not with modern science and HBD, which we’re not going to give up.

    God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. You admit so yourself when you self-consciously say that HBD and white genetics are the base and foundation. The Christians of Western civilization based their being and civilization on the death and resurrection of Christ and the promise of eternal life. It’d be more accurate to say that HBD and white genetics are or will be the base and foundation of white civilization.

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  • This Week in Reaction (2015/07/26) | The Reactivity Place Says:

    […] Land asks What’s in a word? A lot (apparently). The proper neoreactionary term is, of course, the more elegant #Conservakin. […]

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  • Grotesque Body Says:

    Gnon has a sense of humour http://www.immigration.net/

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