Quote notes (#41)

An unusually frigid gust of cynical realism from Walter Russell Mead:

Europe’s social engineers of the last generation seem to have assumed that the “dark forces” of nationalism and chauvinism had been left behind. That was partly true; the horrors of the two world wars have made many (though far from all) Europeans unwilling to fight anymore on ethnic grounds. But the subsidence of ethnic nationalism in European politics was also a function of the mass ethnic cleansings and genocidal killings that left most European nation states fairly homogenous. There was no “German Question” in Polish or Czech politics because there were no more Germans in these countries. The “Jewish Question” largely faded in postwar Europe, in part because of revulsion against Nazism, but also because the Jews were gone. Europe’s architects liked to believe that Europeans had transcended ethnic hatred, but much of Europe’s postwar peace came from the success of ethnic hatred in creating homogenous countries.

ADDED: WRM on Gnon.

October 31, 2013admin 14 Comments »


14 Responses to this entry

  • spandrell Says:

    Oh, the old continent might have not have left behind the dark forces of nationalism, but the great United Kingdom surely has, and is now fully invested in the New World Order of Superdiversity.


    Nothing to fear Mr. Mead.


    Thales Reply:

    Wow. I could save them a lot of money just by giving them the bottom-line they’re destined for: just prostrate yourselves and expose your necks for the noble savage.


    Alex Reply:

    Such tragic incidents are precisely why the work of the Institute for Research into Superdiversity is so vital.

    “Without the efforts of … “dominant” communities and institutions to adapt and evolve in light of increased diversity, migrants may follow a pathway to separation or marginalisation and therein experience psychosocial stresses or social exclusion. Recent analyses … by staff at our Institute for Research into Superdiversity … have demonstrated clearly that for refugees at least there is a strong connection between feeling unwelcome or experiencing harassment and ill health. These findings provide robust and reliable statistics that support earlier qualitative work … where migrants have told us that they are too frightened to mix with local residents because they are aware of anti-migrant or anti-refugee sentiment … “


    Thales Reply:

    Jolly good! No doubt an effective and civilized solution shall be forthcoming…

    P Reply:

    “but the great United Kingdom surely has, and is now fully invested in the New World Order of Superdiversity”

    England has and is, but Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are some of the most homogeneous places in Europe.


    Posted on October 31st, 2013 at 5:13 am Reply | Quote
  • pseudo-chrysostom Says:

    ah but you see, diversity is only truly *diverse* when we roll it all into a single homogenous mass.


    Posted on October 31st, 2013 at 10:13 am Reply | Quote
  • VXXC Says:

    That is a high price to pay for peace.


    Mead might have added Bosnia to the list, and what is happening in Iraq.

    Hmm. That nobility/King thing isn’t looking so bad now. Tell me how it would work.


    Posted on October 31st, 2013 at 3:43 pm Reply | Quote
  • nydwracu Says:

    If I have to see the argument that “the implosion of Europe’s birthrate makes mass immigration economically necessary” one more time…


    admin Reply:

    It’s worrying that you’re still refusing to submit to the irresistible logic of superdiversity — are you trying to sabotage economic recovery, or something?


    Thales Reply:

    Yes, the soul of a nation is its stock market. What’s good for Soros is good for the world. How many times does the Cathedral need to chant that litany before it sinks in with us knuckle-draggers?


    Mike Reply:

    The cathedral hates the stock market, hates private economic activity, and hates any sort of privately-owned capital. (The cathedral is socialistically inclined by necessity – it produces nothing saleable, so it is parasitic by nature.)

    The cathedral’s feigned concern for economic recovery (in this case, through immigration) is just a cynical attempt to justify what they want (more immigrants) by couching it in terms that appeal to non-cathedralists (economic recovery).

    Posted on November 1st, 2013 at 12:32 am Reply | Quote
  • Grotto Says:

    Walter Russell Mead, the man who thinks the Anglosphere can only go from strength-to-strength. In my younger, more innocent days I read his British Empire triumphalist histories with great pleasure. Instapundit is entirely bamboozled by him, and Mead one of the primary obsticles impeding Instapundit’s slow drift to neo-reaction.

    It’s too bad WRM can’t apply this logic a mere twenty-three years forward from 1945, to Enoch Powell’s famous River’s of Blood speech.


    admin Reply:

    There’s a weird way in which WRM and Moldbug are polarized, dizygotic twins, or an even more extreme dual entity, like the two strands of a DNA molecule. The Anglosphere’s exceptional geopolitical destiny, rooted in revolutionary ultra-protestantism, is the same core theme of both. The point of fission doesn’t seem to have much to do with substantial historical interpretation, but only with the values ascribed to the process, and the forecast as to its sustainability.

    Given some of the emerging deep cultural arguments among Dark Enlightenment writers, it’s at least intriguing that — whilst both WRM and Moldbug represent remarkably subtle modes of attachment / response to the Christian tradition — it is WRM who binds an enduring religious faith to political optimism (and Moldbug who ironizes both).


    Grotto Reply:

    It’s been awhile, but I think in the book God and Gold, WRM actually titles a chapter as “Protocols of the Elders of Greenwich”. I thought nothing of it then, but I would have been floored if I read it today.

    You’re absolutely right that both Moldbug and WRM see Anglo-exceptionalism as a product of some kind of capitalist-puritanism. If memory serves correctly, he approvingly quotes Voltaire, who woefully observes that French patriotic ardor was soundly beaten by the bloodless efficiency of British finance. Voltaire lamented that even as they executed kings and insufficently enthusiastic admirals with alarming regularity, the British never failed to pay their debts on time.

    This is the closest WRM gets to a realization of the Cathedral. The important differences are that WRM does not see the Cathedral as Orwellian. He believes it is staffed with true believers of missionary zeal. The second difference is that he has no conception of race-realism, and this is his greater flaw. He may be right in tracing the ascendency of the Anglos, from Elizabeth and Drake onwards, to Cathedral machinery he describes. But this model of human freedom, expansion, and success could only be sustained when confined to northern European Protestants. Since then, the continued expansion of the Anglosphere has begun to rot away its core. WRM doesn’t see that the formula which argubly worked very well for the first 350 years has not worked at all in the last 100. WRM is still a giddy triumphalist, when he should be very worried indeed.


    Posted on November 1st, 2013 at 12:46 am Reply | Quote

Leave a comment